Could memo sink Bush?

[phylny]

By Dave Richardson
Times Herald-Record
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What if President Bush lied to Congress and the American people, used those lies to gain congressional approval for military action against Iraq and launched a war that killed 1,700 Americans and tens of thousands of others?

That might have been a hypothetical question a month ago; it might not be hypothetical anymore.

In fact, Rep. Maurice Hinchey, D-Hurley, says the answer to the question could lead to the impeachment of President Bush.

The release of an explosive piece of paper called the Downing Street Memo has Hinchey, almost 90 members of Congress and people around the world in an uproar.

http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2005/06/13/drhousem.htm

[indepat]

1. Impeachment would require the vote of several Repug Congressman

and that ain't ever gonna happen.

[babylonsister]

5. Not so fast. Should all this info come to light,

I can see moderate repugs denouncing the blivet. After all, he and his cronies have deceived us all.

[sellitman]

24. You smoking something?

That stuff is illegal!!!

[ktowntennesseedem]

26. If enough see their '06 reelections in jeopardy, it just might happen.

Like you, I'm skeptical, but I'm seeing some hopeful signs of some trying to distance themselves from Shrub already, and not just moderates. It will take a huge number before they will comfortable with such drastic measures and supporting an impeachment, and we're a long way from that, but all this just might be the beginning.

[chemp]

2. what memo?

I read the newspaper every day.
I watch nightly news every night.
I know nothing about a memo!:sarcasm:

[dennis4868]

14. yeah I heard.....

about a memo on the news but they just told me to move along, there is nothing to see here.

[MadisonProgressive]

16. No, Bush and Blair thouroughly debunked it.

[Jo March]

32. Page 4 A in the Charlotte Observer yesterday

It was page one above the fold a few weeks ago when Knight-Ridder broke the story.

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. Considering the fact that the source of these documents

is the Prime Minister's offices, makes this a very serious matter. This isn't just some disgruntled Deep Throat. These are official documents. You couldn't ask for anything better in a court of law.

[wakeme2008]

4. If Blair sinks so will Bush

but if Blair pulls through so will Bush.. IMHO...

[jedr]

6. we need a little help from our friends across the pond,

the brit' press needs to prove that this memo is credible so that KKK can't dismiss it as untrue.

[wakeme2008]

7. :) IMHO the current Deep Throat has a British Accent

:)

[rodeodance]

8. Hinchey is focusing on the 1700 lost lives. He could get traction with

this--raise the spectors of how many troops have died cause of Bushco. People are allready coming around about the nonsense of this war.



....Representatives of both Sens. Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton declined to comment directly on the memo or on the House response to it.

Still, calls for a congressional inquiry into the questions raised by the memo are growing louder, with some even discussing a Bush impeachment.

"If the president intentionally twisted the facts about the Sept. 11 attacks and the Iraq war, and lied to Congress about it, and then elicited authorization from Congress to launch a war that's caused the deaths of 1,700 U.S. men and women along with tens of thousands of others, that is definitely an impeachable offense," Hinchey said.

[rodeodance]

9. I think the WH will have to have a response to Conyers this Thrusday.

You know they had their denial of DSM-2-yesterday--WH said they did plan the post invasion (te he--even Tucker Carlson this am. said that everybody knows that there was no postwar planning!!




.....Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy has a similar petition, and California Rep. Maxine Waters has vowed to introduce daily amendments to pending House legislation demanding Bush answer questions raised by the memo.

Hinchey signed Conyers' letter, and had harsh words for Bush. "The Downing Street Memo confirms a lot of information coming from insiders in the administration and the intelligence agencies, and says clearly that they fixed the facts around the policy," Hinchey said.

So far there has been no official response to Conyers' letter.

"They are trying to ignore the letter, but we will be back to them on this. We will continue to press this," Hinchey said. "It's outrageous. It goes against everything this country stands for."

[rodeodance]

10. Top Dems are still silent on the briefing papers/minutes.

[rodeodance]

12. nominated---this article talks of impeachment--this word is popping up

more and more.

[burned]

20. Do they know something?

Or are they just playing it safe so they don't get dirty.
If that's the case, we need to turn the Dems upside down so that the fighters for truth and justice are the 'top' Dems.

[AuntiBush]

28. Silence can be "Golden..." Republican Voters are Angry Over This

If they are in my bedroom community, and these are hard-nosed Republican voters angry, fed-up and had enough they were literally screaming about this very issue.

Oddly, they watch Faux News so I wondered how they got their news. I stayed quite and a few nudged me kindly telling me that I need to "speak-up for my Dem's and say it proudly." I was literally floored.

No. Tides are changing. Interesting to note, the very ones - the angry-type voters the Repuks wowed into their corners are the ones who's voices are being heard the loudest.

Tides do in deed turn.
Silence is Golden
The bigger one is, the harder they can fall.

That's my take on it. I say the Chimp's disapproval ratings from on-line polls are much worse.

[ElectroPrincess]

11. Agreed!

If Blair goes down in the UK, the Corporate Media will no longer be able to take their marching orders from Bush-Co. The proverbial floodgates of incriminating evidence will surfuce like pond scum ... and even KKKarl and his henchmen do not have enough power to intimidate the good people who reveal all their dirty little secrets.

Our saving grace is that the Corporate National Media is only beholden to money and power. Simply put = they're shameless whores who will "jump ship" as soon as the handwriting's on the wall that reveals our Executive Branch's flimsy lies and ruses will not hold water.

Nope, if the UK people and press continue to follow a morally correct and *honest investigation* of Blair's cronies (we've given up on our DINO Representatives and the USA Media since before the Invasion), we'll see Bush-Co. go down hard. Their pompous platitudes, cry-baby snot blowing and bloated whimpers will fall on deaf ears. And hopefully, wedge issues will no longer be manipulated to elect religious nut-cases in the NEAR future.

Simply put, Average Brits and Americans are disgusted with being played as fools ... our political leaders' (Republicans and far too many DINOs) arrogance have blinded them to THE FACT that despite all the propaganda, THE PEOPLE are not near as stupid they have deluded themselves to believe. Many of our DINOs (Biden, Bob Kerry, etc.) are invested in the corporate military industrial machine up to their eyeballs.

No more! If the Right Wing wishes to persist in Empire Building, let them send their Sons and Daughters. They need to be reminded that Average Americans don't hold stocks in the WAR MACHINE.

We're tired of sending our sons and daughters to serve as these a**holes' "cannon fodder" - often times - to complement Negroponte's implaced Death Squads and Mercenary units who are ALL "making a killing" in more ways than one.

[rodeodance]

13. The WI Dem. Party has passed a resolution also--impeachment of

Bush, Cheney, et al.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3840149&mesg_id=3845996

[rodeodance]

17. I would say "many"-? tired of being played the fools. Many others are

still sleeping.

.....Simply put, Average Brits and Americans are disgusted with being played as fools ... our political leaders' (Republicans and far too many DINOs) arrogance have blinded them to THE FACT that despite all the propaganda, THE PEOPLE are not near as stupid they have deluded themselves to believe. Many of our DINOs (Biden, Bob Kerry, etc.) are invested in the corporate military industrial machine up to their eyeballs.

[ElectroPrincess]

19. I see the glass as "half full" ...

More Americans are in the process ... they need a genuine "wake up call." <warm smile>

I want to believe that truth and justice will prevail sooner rather than later.

Let's all hope. :-)

[Oversea Visitor]

22. Its more like

If bush pull through so will blair

[McCamy Taylor]

27. Blair has a British Deep Throat--I think Blair is doomed.

[jwirr]

43. I have actually wondered if Tony may

letting this stuff out as revenge. His power has slipped because of bushie.

[dennis4868]

15. what i do not get about this....

is that there is a ton of evidence out there besides the DSM that proves that Bush lied.....this only adds to the pile of evidence!

[rodeodance]

18. your are right-there is a ton of evidence--i think that fact that these

Brit memos/MINUTES/briefing papers--is the fact that it is collaboration of the lies.

[SittingBull]

39. Tons of evidence

The DSM ist only the last proof given black on white. We have the statements of minimum these federal employees:

Scott Ritter, Hans Blix, Karen Kwiatkowski, Greg Thelmann, Paul O'Neill, Joseph C. Wilson, Richard Clarke, ( all US except Hans Blix: UN, Sweden )
Clare Short, Robin Cook, Michael Meacher, ( all UK )
who all say the fix was in.

I have all their statements, but only in german language. But I'm sure you can find the english statements quite simpler then my search for the german statements.

Greetings!

Sitting-Bull

[njdemocrat106]

44. Willkommen!

:hi:

[lisby]

30. "Pile of Evidence"

It's great to have a pile of evidence if people actually hear about it. I've never seen anything like the conspiracy to bury this story. x(

BTW, this is my first post, so be gentle with me. I've been lurking for years (literally) and finally decided to start tossing out my 2 cents.


Lisby

[Karenina]

31. WELCOME TO DU, LISBY!!!!!

:toast: :hug: :toast:

[MountainLaurel]

38. Welcome!

And congrats for coming out of lurkerdom.

:applause:

Out of curiosity, what's the significance of your user name? I had a coworker once whose home e-mail name was lisby. (Can't remember why I know that -- think she must have sent a message from home once.)

[splat@14]

41. Welcome to DU Lisby! Keep "lurking & give `em hell!

[Bluzmann57]

21. Hate to be cynical

but seeing is believing. Any attempt at impeachment will be seen as revenge for Clinton, imo. And we still have a republican House, Senate, and Supreme Court. I certainly hope there is at least an investigation of the Downing Street Minutes, but it doesn't look good.

[DavidDvorkin]

23. Your cynicism is justified

After the country accepted the 2000 coup like sheep, and after the subsequent consolidation of power by those who instituted the coup, how can one be hopeful?

[AuntiBush]

29. Right with you on those thoughts. Trying to be Optimistic but it's hard.

[Karenina]

33. Their unmitigated *ARROGANCE

WILL take them down. So say I.

[rodeodance]

34. i agree--impeachment is a big wish--but still like to think about it:- and

also--the chat--in the news is good to hear--I think it really gets people thinking!!

[NVMojo]

25. Impeach him! I'm tired of him playing with "army men" toys on our dime!

And with real troops lives!!! Bastard!!!

[Janice325]

35. Could memo sink Bush?

I certainly hope so.
Kick!

[Hissyspit]

36. Um, for some of us, it wasn't a hypothetical question a month ago

It wasn't really a hypothetical two-three years ago...

[shantipriya]

37. DSM Memo

I don't think any amount of disclosures can sink Bush.First, the US is governed by Repugs in all branches of Govt.Secondly, voters had all the reasons to vote him out in Nov. and DID NOT.So any thought of an abbreviated second term for Bush is wishful thinking.

[MountainLaurel]

40. I keep wondering

So many times over the past four years we've thought "That's it. The Bushistas are not gonna get away from it this time." Abu Ghraib, those 7 minutes on 9/11, lying about WMD, the torture papers, Bush's performance during the debates, the Downing Street memo -- each time hope was raised. And yet, they survive (due in part to the media's short-term memory and the attention paid to the Damsel in Distress of the Moment -- time and time again.

[jwirr]

42. If we can take bushie down with this lie - let us not

forget to take cheney with him. Both are to blame for this mess.