The US war with Iran has already begun

[Conservativesux]

The US war with Iran has already begun

By Scott Ritter

Sunday 19 June 2005

Americans, along with the rest of the world, are starting to wake up to the uncomfortable fact that President George Bush not only lied to them about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (the ostensible excuse for the March 2003 invasion and occupation of that country by US forces), but also about the very process that led to war.

On 16 October 2002, President Bush told the American people that "I have not ordered the use of force. I hope that the use of force will not become necessary."

We know now that this statement was itself a lie, that the president, by late August 2002, had, in fact, signed off on the 'execute' orders authorising the US military to begin active military operations inside Iraq, and that these orders were being implemented as early as September 2002, when the US Air Force, assisted by the British Royal Air Force, began expanding its bombardment of targets inside and outside the so-called no-fly zone in Iraq.

These operations were designed to degrade Iraqi air defence and command and control capabilities. They also paved the way for the insertion of US Special Operations units, who were conducting strategic reconnaissance, and later direct action, operations against specific targets inside Iraq, prior to the 19 March 2003 commencement of hostilities.

More at:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7896BBD4-28AB-48BA-A949-2096A02F864D.htm

[whistle]

1. Correct, but June 21 will be the big day....

[stillcool]

4. Isn't that Tuesday? n/t

[Julius Civitatus]

5. Why June 21 in particular?

Thanks.

[Hissyspit]

7. Seymour Hersh mentioned that date? I forget. Maybe it was Scott who did.

Someone will remember.

[Julius Civitatus]

8. I remember Seymour Hersh's article... but not that date

He mentioned June, but I don't remember a specific date. In any case, I'm sure they are planning it, I'm sure they are getting ready, and I'm afraid they'll get their way once again.
:scared:

[Donailin]

17. Here's the June 20th date in this article

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8130.htm


Scott Ritter Says U.S. Plans June Attack On Iran

By Mark Jensen

02/19/05 --United for Peace of Pierce County (WA) - - Scott Ritter, appearing with journalist Dahr Jamail yesterday in Washington State, dropped two shocking bombshells in a talk delivered to a packed house in Olympia’s Capitol Theater. The ex-Marine turned UNSCOM weapons inspector said that George W. Bush has "signed off" on plans to bomb Iran in June 2005, and claimed the U.S. manipulated the results of the recent Jan. 30 elections in Iraq.

Olympians like to call the Capitol Theater "historic," but it's doubtful whether the eighty-year-old edifice has ever been the scene of more portentous revelations.

The principal theme of Scott Ritter's talk was Americans’ duty to protect the U.S. Constitution by taking action to bring an end to the illegal war in Iraq. But in passing, the former UNSCOM weapons inspector stunned his listeners with two pronouncements. Ritter said plans for a June attack on Iran have been submitted to President George W. Bush, and that the president has approved them. He also asserted that knowledgeable sources say U.S. officials "cooked" the results of the Jan. 30 elections in Iraq.

On Iran, Ritter said that President George W. Bush has received and signed off on orders for an aerial attack on Iran planned for June 2005. Its purported goal is the destruction of Iran’s alleged program to develop nuclear weapons, but Ritter said neoconservatives in the administration also expected that the attack would set in motion a chain of events leading to regime change in the oil-rich nation of 70 million -- a possibility Ritter regards with the greatest skepticism.

[Julius Civitatus]

21. Thank you, but I still can't see it

I still can not locate that specific date on the article.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't find anything relaing to wither June 20th or June 21st. They only mention June 2005.

[icymist]

14. Solstice on the 20th. Full moon on the 21st.

The longest day with the most light at night. And it's the day after Father's Day. What do you get the oil Baron who already has more than he needs?

[whistle]

23. I'm not sure why that date sticks in my head....I remember when

...the Scott Ritter article came out, Randi Rhodes had Ritter on her show and I may have heard those dates tossed out there or I just might have assumed that before the end of June some kind of action was going to take place. It does say in the article that June was the date for plans to be in place, and that attacks could occur anytime following the plan implementation. I know that the date June 21st stuck in my head, but I can't put my finger on where I heard or read that. Sorry, I'll be most pleased if I'm wrong, because isn't it going to be June 21st in Iran in less than 5 hours from now?

World Clock: Tehran Iran Mon 7:31 PM

[brindis_desala]

2. If the Downing Street Memo was meant as a distraction it's not

going to work. No more murderous lies for your corporate masters, Mr. Bush...

[stillcool]

3. Why do I have the feeling.....

that I've been played....once again?

[Hissyspit]

6. Nominated. On the Greatest Page now.

[LibertyorDeath]

9. Shit Shit Shit REC

:kick::kick::kick:

Fuuuuuuuuuccccccckkkkkkkkk!!!

[IndyOp]

10. Today, Rice referred twice today to Iraq's "so-called insurgents"

What did she mean by that? Why the new phrase?

The administration will move toward an argument than Iranian/Syrian/Saudi Arabian governments are supporting the 'insurgents' and, thus, they have reason to attack other countries.

Did you catch Porter Goss' interview today in which he said he knew where Osama Bin Laden was, but that the US was constrained in their ability to go get him because the US respects the sovereignty of other nations ( ). Goss' comment sounds like a similar set up: "We asked those sovereign nations nicely if we could go after Osama and they said 'no,' so now we have reason to attack them."

:scared:

[Julius Civitatus]

11. How convenient!

I guess they scratched off the "WMD excuse," so they'll use Osama this time.

[IndyOp]

15. I was about to object - 'but they *have* been claiming Iran has nukes' -

then I realized what you meant. Yup. On to the next excuse.

:grr:

[brindis_desala]

12. Substitute "Terrorism" or "Spreading Freedom" for "Communism"

and you get the same old tune.

The Price of Oil, The Price of Life
Britain's new approach to the situation has been put succinctly by Christopher Woodhouse, an MI6 agent prominent in the covert activities in Tehran: "The Americans would be more likely to work with us if they saw the problem as one of containing Communism rather than restoring the position of the AIOC. Although some of the representatives of American oil companies seemed to be circling like vultures over Iran, American officials were inclined to be more co-operative. 26

Of course, the British government had to keep this reality under wraps, the Foreign Office warning,

…it is essential at all costs that His Majesty's Government should avoid getting into a position where they could be represented as a capitalist power attacking a Nationalist Persia.27
http://www.flyingfish.org.uk/articles/rushdie/price.htm

Minutes the bone for the ravaging hounds? while Bush and Blair plot their little invasion...?

[UpInArms]

13. It all feels like watching a trainwreck

Normally, this would represent a good turn of events. But with everyone's heads rooted in the events of the past, many are missing out on the crime that is about to be repeated by the Bush administration in Iran - an illegal war of aggression, based on false premise, carried out with little regard to either the people of Iran or the United States.

Most Americans, together with the mainstream American media, are blind to the tell-tale signs of war, waiting, instead, for some formal declaration of hostility, a made-for-TV moment such as was witnessed on 19 March 2003.

We need to get these monsters out of our government NOW!

[countmyvote4real]

16. Eventually the world will "bring it on" - home.

* adminstration is out of control. They must be stopped.

[iconoclastic cat]

18. I keep finding articles like that one. I wonder if something really is up.

Sheesh, the one that scared me the most was the idea that Iraqi battalions might be pitted against Iran. That sounds so awful that, since these people obviously enjoy war, it might actually be true.

[expatriot]

19. Is this LBN?

This is an editorial by Ritter, there are no breaking news incidents in the article. How did this get into LBN?

Thusly this is at the end:

"The opinions expressed here are the author's and do not necessarily reflect the editorial position or have the endorsement of Aljazeera."

[understandinglife]

20. fyi and some context:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3885693&mesg_id=3898627

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4173.htm


WE THE PEOPLE .... WILL NEVER FORGET

"... we sent our young people into harm's way without leveling with the American people." - Congresswoman Pelosi before Congress, 16 June 2005

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Impeachment of Bush and Cheney; indictment and prosecution of all members of the Bush regime who participated in the deception, should be campaign promises of any candidate worthy of our vote in the 2006 Congressional elections.

[slybacon9]

22. GOD they are so boring

I mean. As far as a plot goes, could they be any more predictable?

AND COULD THE REST OF THIS COUNTRY BE ANY DUMBER??? Go back to watching american idol everyone, nothing to see here...

Um... you do realize

If we attack Iran, it's all over... that's my next prediction. You want to see an angry muslim crowd? I'm talking terrorist insurgent jedi fucking holy war saber in the ass nuclear devices world war 3 kim jong gitmo penetration heads rolling end times judgement day revelations four horsemen of the apocalypse killer bees shit kiddies...