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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:54 AM
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Caller from Randi Rhodes show: Translators left in Yeman
This was the call on Randi's show yesterday.
6/29/05; Randi Rhodes Show; 3:47:52 time from whiterosesociety.org

"Randi: H.M. in Denver
H.M.: I’m a veteran of the army as well as the navy, I’m an Arabic linguist and I used to work for NATO intelligence back in the ‘90’s. After 9/11 myself and my friends that were veterans we all volunteered to go translate for Operation Enduring Freedom. And we wound up basically working for the contractors in Washington D.C. And it’s an unbelievable mess--because I tried to contact Senator McCain, I tried to organize all these former veteran linguists together because it’s a phenomenal resource to the country and I contacted the Armed Services Committee as well as the Senate Intelligence Committee and I was told that I had to go through contracting companies in order to serve my country as a civilian. So I got hired over the phone by a contracting company in Huntington California. They in turn--they never tested me--they in turn subcontracted me to a company in Tyson’s Corner Virginia. They, in turn, subcontracted me to the U.S. Intelligence Community.
Nobody would guarantee any of us a contract that we actually had a job and they required us that we move within a week to Washington D.C. We sold our houses and dropped out of college and we left and we went to D.C. and when we got there we actually had to fight to get our jobs.
There were not enough people there to make a softball team. All of the wealth of information coming out of Afghanistan for Operation Enduring Freedom was translated--basically 3,500 documents was what we were able to process a month. But from that point it was insane because the contracting company had no interest in what we were doing for national security. It was constantly about billable hours and billable hours.
And then my best friend and I volunteered, we went to the Gulf to support counter-terrorism operations directly and once we got there all hell broke loose. What they were doing had nothing to do with our national security or terrorism.
R: what were they doing?
H.M.: they were actually training a series of troops to work counter-terrorism in another sovereign Muslim country. But I really can’t go into too much detail but it wasn’t what they were saying. And the way they were treating the natives was horrible.
They promised us, my best friend and I, that we would have body armor as well as weapons (?? Talk about weapons training). The second we got over there they reneged on the bonus money they were going to pay us, they reneged on the body armor, they reneged on the weapons, and they stuck us in a combat situation.
I have P.T.S.D. and a wealth of other medical problems that I had from that episode. But when my friend and I actually stood up and asked the Intelligence community to come and actually provide what they had promised they basically gave us the option to find our own way out of the country or put up with it. Then we went to the contracting company--they were pissed off at us for upsetting their client and so they docked our pay by half--they kept the other half. They kept charging the government the full price and then they were paying us exactly half of what we were making.
Randi: comments (there was a time and a place when you could tell me this story and I would not be able to follow it…etc.)
H.M.: once we did actually confront the intelligence community they cut us loose. They left us in a foreign country with foreign nationals and told us to find our own way out. We had to evade a kidnapping, we were shot at several times, we barely made it out of the country with our lives
Randi: Can I ask you were you were?
H.M: Yemen.
Randi: Yemen? They left you in Yemen?
H.M.: Yes. I’ve had five surgeries since I’ve been over there from all the bacteria I collected--they told me I was on a light camping trip. The ineptitude that happened on both sides, the contracting companies as well as the intelligence community was unbelievable.
Randi: Have you tried to call a Democratic. Senator on this or thought I need to tell somebody that works on these issues.
H.M.: I was told that when we left if we mentioned it basically we needed to forget it because they would not forget us--is what the intelligence community told us, and then they left us a four in the morning in the capitol of Yemen without anyway to get home.

(Randi tells him to contact Waxman, Durbin and Dorgen of North Dakota.)

H.M.: I’ve got one other thing I’ve been wanting to talk about for a long long time and it’s basically the organization of these terrorist organizations--not being released into the news as to how organized they are. They have identity cards--they have I.D. cards that are laminated that look like college identification cards with the picture of the person, their name, their rank in the organization, what their meal privileges are and what terrorist camps they can get into. They have application forms to get into these terrorist organizations that require a picture, their name, their hobby, what are your favorite books you read, and why you’re joining the jihad. The actual establishment and network between these groups is immense and a lot of it is government supported.
Like for the Islamist jihad in Pakistan they have (?fax?) forms that have their street address, their phone number of their headquarters in Islamabad. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out where these people are located. It’s crazy. It’s in Burma, it’s in Pakistan, Afghanistan. Throughout the middle east they are overt and they are blatant about it. But their recruiting methods-it’s just unbelievable the amount of detail. We went through thousands and thousands of these applications from Philippino terrorist organizations, Burmese, Malaysian, all across the world. It’s just unbelievable how detailed they are and how organized they are. Everything you see in the western press about these organizations--most of it is wrong. And it’s wrong from the point of view that they want everybody to believe they’re ignorant and they’re stupid and they’re sleeping in caves.
And it just bothers me so much, you know. They had an incredible team of linguists together--most of them were very good friends of mine. We weren’t enough to make a softball team but we busted our asses. We did this sixteen hours a day, seven days a week. We gave up so much to do this and it mattered nothing about national security.
Now all of us have returned to our private lives and we listen to the news and our stomachs are nauseated, we don’t know how to help, we don’t know how to get involved, and nobody seems to give a damn."


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:05 AM
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1. ok ok, this does it
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 03:07 AM by nadinbrzezinski
I tried to enlist after 9.11 (Historian by training)

Another guy caled her show, tried to enlist, (Comptuer specialist)

These guys who are far more qualified than either me or the 'puter specialist.

Do you folks see a pattern?

I do, and it ain't a warm fuzzy
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:15 AM
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2. Sorry if I am dense
but do you mean they are just taking the money and they aren't doing anything? This is shocking, but I am not sure of the implications.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:23 AM
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5. Ok follow the pattern
The military is NOT taking in capable people who could do the job

The corporations are taking the money but making sure it does not work, even when they have capable people

What we have is planned chaos, pure and simple, chaos is the racket, they don't intend to win... for wining means the end of the gravy train
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 11:39 AM
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12. I remember seeing a story on the "news" (maybe 60 minutes)
about a female translator who said that their bosses would tell them to slow down (she might have worked for cia or fbi) and not translate so fast--this way they would appear as if they needed more funding and the department would get more money.

she said there were times when she would come to work and find that her boss had deleted an entire day's worth of her translating work and she would have to start all over again with a document.

from what i recall this was in reference to 9/11 as we were trying to (not) hunt down the real terrorists.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:15 AM
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3. double post NT
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 03:16 AM by mirandapriestly
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 11:46 AM
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13. where is the other post on this? i can't find it?
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 11:47 AM by orleans
did someone else besides me actually sit down for an hour and transcribe this phone call?

or were you talking about posting your comments twice? maybe i misunderstood. sorry.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:22 AM
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4. Oh Well
Burma :crazy: that is a buddhist country. Wait US like to whack them now and then for Human right abuse. Oh Malaysia see go check out facts of my country. Guess they never forgive Tun Dr Mahatir Malaysia ex Prime Minister. Phillipine hell thats a hot spot.
Aaargh What happen to Indonesia the biggest Muslim country in the world. Guess they not worth a mention.

In reply articles at www.mindfully.org
Under Reform/Political and Social
Go back till 2001
Articles by Le Figaro
Bin Laden Met with CIA Agent in July 2 months before 911
OBL was visited at American Hospital in Dubai think the even has date of meeting Oh OBL need dialysis machine also stated. Name of Doctor also stated

In reply
LBN tread by Sabar June 29 05
All 17 troops believed kill in Afghan crash- U.S.
Noted post 31
Taliban warn US of Al Qeada intention weeks before 911
Note 911 comission intelligence report that was not allow to be release... Osama intent to attack America...
gee only title release.... contents please
WTF is this administration trying to hide.

Go clean up you dirt before trying to dirty the name of every Muslims country in this world and brand every Muslim a terrorist.
Jesus you might make that wish come true.



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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 04:50 AM
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6. I don't understand whom you are addressing with "Go clean up your dirt".
The caller to Randi Rhodes? Are you saying that the point of his call was to dirty the name of every Muslim country? That's not what I got from it. In fact, I don't understand your post at all.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 05:13 AM
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7. I am a Malaysian
And to see this part hype out in the second part sure get me mad. The first part is the Koolaid the hard sell is the 2nd part the bottom half of the articles. You swallow the first, you swollow the second.

Malaysia is the most progressive of all the world Muslim countries.
I am a Malaysian Chinese Christian. The extremist are trying to make headway with all this garbage floating around. Our goverment even use the ISA Internal Security Act to contain this. It is detention without trail. And yes in this suituation I wont complain.

Out of 24 million people 13 millions or a bit more are Muslims, the second biggest group is Christain. The Muslim does wish us Merry Chritmas and come to our open house. I cant say the same for Christians in Indinesia. They being targeted and attack after 911 cause of all the names calling.

I do not wish to see this happen in my country. So yes I am really upset to see Malaysia branded this way.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:17 AM
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8. The caller was talking about terrorist organizations within the countries
"We went through thousands and thousands of these applications from Philippino terrorist organizations, Burmese, Malaysian, all across the world. It’s just unbelievable how detailed they are and how organized they are."

At no time does he say the entire countries themselves are extremist. He doesn't say that all Muslims are terrorists. He just is not saying that.

And this isn't an article. It is a transcript of a conversation in which the caller is talking about his personal experience working as a translator. His main point is how the US contractors--and evidently the US government--didn't really want him to do his job.

I understand your being mad about those who would try to portray all Muslims as extremist. But this man who called Randi Rhodes to tell a story on the US government isn't doing that.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 11:07 AM
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10. Goggle Burma
Goggle Malaysia. Then try Indonesia with 220 million muslim with the bombing of Bali.How can an intelligence expert make such mistake as to name countries that is so insignificant and yet leave out the most significant one. No my friend this is a targeted message.

This is to discredit the four international panelist who will report on and ensure that Saddam get a fair trial. Yes Tun Dr Mahathir is one of them. I remember seeing Clark name on it. A retire ambassordor from Europe and one more.

Why was a Malaysian selected... cause Tun Dr Mahatir is well respected
He was chair of the Organisation of Islamic countries before. He play a key role in NAM None aligned countries. We are also members of the Commonwealth, ASEAN . Malaysia has a very strong influence and our goverment stand is that the war against Afghan and Iraq is unjust.

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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 11:32 AM
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11. He's talking about the experiences THAT HE PERSONALLY HAD.
I don't have to "goggle" anything. He's naming the countries where the documents he was given to review came from. Maybe somebody else reviewed documents from "more significant" countries.

You are very intent on seeing a subtext to this private citizen's account of his own personal experiences--the focus of which was something else entirely. I don't know how you make a connection between this one man's story of translating terrorist documents and Saddam getting a fair trial, but it is not in the transcript of his phone call to Randi Rhodes.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 09:59 AM
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9. He's saying the organizations have ID cards,
laminated things?

Oh.
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