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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 10:38 PM
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A Hawk Questions Himself as His Son Goes to War
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/08/AR2005070802303_pf.html

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Your son is an infantry officer, shipping out soon for Iraq. How do you feel about that?

Pride, of course -- great pride. And fear. And an occasional burning in the gut, a flare of anger at empty pieties and lame excuses, at flip answers and a lack of urgency, at a failure to hold those at the top to the standards of accountability that the military system rightly imposes on subalterns.

It is a flicker of rage that two years into an insurgency, we still expose our troops in Humvees to the blasts of roadside bombs -- knowing that even the armored version of that humble successor to the Jeep is simply not designed for warfare along guerrilla-infested highways, while, at the same time, knowing that plenty of countries manufacture armored cars that are. It is disbelief at a manpower system that, following its prewar routines, ships soldiers off to war for a year or 15 months, giving them two weeks of leave at the end, when our British comrades, more experienced in these matters and wiser in pacing themselves, ship troops out for half that time, and give them an extra month on top of their regular leave after an operational deployment.

It is the sick feeling that churned inside me at least 18 months ago, when a glib and upbeat Pentagon bureaucrat assured me that the opposition in Iraq consisted of "5,000 bitter-enders and criminals," even after we had killed at least that many. It flames up when hearing about the veteran who in theory has a year between Iraq rotations, but in fact, because he transferred between units after returning from one tour, will go back to Iraq half a year later, and who, because of "stop-loss orders" involuntarily extending active duty tours, will find himself in combat nine months after his enlistment runs out. And all this because after 9/11, when so many Americans asked for nothing but an opportunity to serve, we did not expand our Army and Marine Corps when we could, even though we knew we would need more troops.

A variety of emotions wash over me as I reflect on our Iraq war: Disbelief at the length of time it took to call an insurgency by its name. Alarm at our continuing failure to promote at wartime speed the colonels and generals who have a talent for fighting it, while also failing to sweep aside those who do not. Incredulity at seeing decorations pinned on the chests and promotions on the shoulders of senior leaders -- both civilians and military -- who had the helm when things went badly wrong. Disdain for the general who thinks Job One is simply whacking the bad guys and who, ever conscious of public relations, cannot admit that American soldiers have tortured prisoners or, in panic, killed innocent civilians. Contempt for the ghoulish glee of some who think they were right in opposing the war, and for the blithe disregard of the bungles by some who think they were right in favoring it. A desire -- barely controlled -- to slap the highly educated fool who, having no soldier friends or family, once explained to me that mistakes happen in all wars, and that the casualties are not really all that high and that I really shouldn't get exercised about them.

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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 10:44 PM
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1. Damn fine interview
I don't agree with everything he says, but neither do I disagree with every he says.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 10:45 PM
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2. You know.
I get tired of the attitude that war is alright in fact great until you have to make sacrifices.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 10:48 PM
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3. Coming from a PNAC guy, this is stunning
"There is a lot of talk these days about shaky public support for the war. That is not really the issue. Nor should cheerleading, as opposed to truth-telling, be our leaders' chief concern. If we fail in Iraq -- and I don't think we will -- it won't be because the American people lack heart, but because leaders and institutions have failed."
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 10:48 PM
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4. And they wonder why we don't trust them...
"...we still expose our troops in Humvees to the blasts of roadside bombs -- knowing that even the armored version of that humble successor to the Jeep is simply not designed for warfare along guerrilla-infested highways, while, at the same time, knowing that plenty of countries manufacture armored cars that are."
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:06 PM
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5. I have been against Iraq since day one
I dont have a loved one over seas but I asked myself the hard question if I had a son or daughter could I have sent him or her to fight the president's war? I looked at myself in the mirror and said no! I wished our senators would have done the same before giving the go ahead with the vote.
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poetsdream Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:27 PM
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6. I think this is a good sign ...
when people who were 'for the war' begin to have second thoughts, and the pain and reality of the poor planning begin to hit so close to home. I think we're beginning to see the beginnings of the long-needed 'civic uprising" in this country!!

I share his anger at our government who went into this war so horribly unprepared and seemingly indifferent to suffering and the wreckage of human life this war has caused.



:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:09 AM
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8. Hi poetsdream!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Stray Roots Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:20 AM
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7. Just looks like an effort to whitewash their chicken hawk reputation
He blames the cia, and General Tommy Franks, the guy who told Bush their weren't enough troops and otherwise says the war was justified.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:38 AM
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9. Ghoulish glee in opposing the war?
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 10:39 AM by Mari333
after going through a year of having a kid in Iraq, and having been against the war from the beginning,it wasnt ghoulish glee we felt..it was horror... this guy will finally get a bellyful of what its like to go thru what we went thru as a family..again, I have nothing but contempt for those windbags who sit and postulate about the wonderful war but refuse to enlist, or enlist their kids..ghoulish glee? no..disgust from day one.Every asshole for this war should either be IN Iraq seeing it firsthand or have a family member there...imho
on edit: maybe his kid will come back and tell me what my stepson said when he got back...
"Its not a war..Its an Occupation"
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 07:53 PM
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10. "casualties are not really all that high"
Kind of like when Rush Limbaugh said there weren't enough people killed, or hurt, in London to call it a successful terrorist attack. Funny how having to send one of your own will open your eyes. I've had two of mine go, my son and daughter-in-law, and I can tell you I pity this man and the sleepless nights that await him.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 08:43 PM
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11.  " Another Man's War "
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 08:46 PM by yorkiemommie1

sung by Andy Hill and Renee Safier --- Hard Rain


http://www.andyandrenee.com/mp3/andy_another_mans_war.mp3


....and i'm never goin' back to fight another man's war.....

they made their reasons up to send us... we made ours to obey...'


edited to add last sentence....
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 08:59 PM
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12. A war supporter actually has a loved one in Iraq? Mark this as a first.
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