Al-Qaida nukes already in U.S.

[Zorbuddha]

Is this just RW fearmongering, or is there any truth to it?

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Al-Qaida nukes already in U.S.
Terrorists, bombs smuggled across Mexico border by MS-13 gangsters

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WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima" and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups.

Al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union – including suitcase nukes, nuclear mines, artillery shells and even some missile warheads. In addition, documents captured in Afghanistan show al-Qaida had plans to assemble its own nuclear weapons with fissile material it purchased on the black market.

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According to Williams' sources, thousands of al-Qaida sleeper agents have now been forward deployed into the U.S. to carry out their individual roles in the coming "American Hiroshima" plan.

Bin Laden's goal, according to the book, is to kill at least 4 million Americans, 2 million of whom must be children. Only then, bin Laden has said, would the crimes committed by America on the Arab and Muslim world be avenged.

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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203

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This seems abit over the top IMHO, as though intended to fuel the nuke'em before they nuke us meme.

[tk2kewl]

1. MS-13 is helping Al-Qeda nuke American cities? That's a laugh.

[Zorbuddha]

2. Struck me as far-fetched, but I know little about the MS-13 street gang

Would you mind bringing me up to speed?

[tk2kewl]

3. i don'rt know a lot, but they're a latino gang that has groups in every

city the country. i doubt they're interested in getting their familes nuked.

[Oversea Visitor]

4. I seriously dont know

what the hell your chimp created. This if it is a reality just one damn BIG NIGHTMARE.

[Ready4Change]

5. Examine the source; WND is serious RW kool-aid.

If this was from the BBC I'd give it credence.

[Zorbuddha]

8. Of course, but how do the references stand up to fact-checking?

How much is conjecture and propaganda?

That's the issue.

[wli]

6. should've seen this coming

If true, this could explain some of why the Bush regime has gotten carte blanche to do anything they wanted.

On the other hand, do we believe a word these idiots say? If it were true the response should have been something else entirely, not invading Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Peace Patriot]

12. Really--and how about NOT outing a covert CIA WMD expert and her

entire covert eyes and ears network on WMDs around the world, for starters? For starters! Just DON'T DO exactly the wrong thing, and get our eyes and ears around the world killed, and disable and endanger our expert FOR STARTERS!

And then, how about NOT purging the CIA of people who are committed to providing the government with ACCURATE information? For seconders. And for thirders, how about NOT having a vice president who is war profiteering in WMDs? That would be a good third step. Fourthers, anyone?

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See

Plame...the tip of the iceberg... (Plame maybe investigating Cheney arms deals when they busted her CIA weapons op)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2178477#2180220
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Oh, I have a fourther! (You knew I would.) How about NOT letting your good buddies in Great Britain assassinate British chief weapons expert David Kelly, for fear of what truth he might next tell the public about WMDs?

Okay, a sixther: How about NOT committing mass murder, and NOT creating a chaos of looting, death squads, desperation, rebellion, arms dealing, torture, massive corporate theft, and open borders, in Iraq, so that a hotbed of terrorism will NOT be established there, and so that other Arab and Muslim countries will cooperate in non-proliferation, AND, how about NOT saber-rattling at Iran, Syria and North Korea, so that leaders there will NOT get frightened of invading US armies and bombings and will NOT seek nukes and other WMDs in defense?

Finally, how about time-traveling back a couple of decades and NOT arming and funding Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein in your stupid, venal, Rumsfeldian, geopolitical, war profiteering games?

That's for seventhers. Eighthers, anybody?

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

[Zorbuddha]

17. Eighther

Stand up to, and put down all, LIES.

[kitkat65]

7. I'd say look at the source

World Net Daily seems to be a very conservative website offering links to Anne Coulter and Scarborough books. It also seems to promote the Christian dominance agenda. They're most likely biased or trying to stir up already deeply-ingrained ideas.

[Zorbuddha]

9. I would tend to agree.

But there are a number of assertions that can be checked out.

[Zorbuddha]

23. Are you suggesting ex FBI consultant Williams does not exist?

And did not write the book cited?

I'm a little confused. Of course, WND's slant is always ignored.

[bemildred]

10. People that try to scare the shit out of you are not your friends.

This is guy is a loon out to make a buck on your gullibility.

[Zorbuddha]

15. Gullibility isn't theissue. It is the merits or lack thereof, the claims.

There are people of official capacity cited here, their feet should be held to the fire lest this further the madness of using nukes to thwart nukes.

Big picture, folks.

[bemildred]

24. Gullibility is certainly an issue when evaluating credibility of claims.

This fellow is a lying sack of shit.

[Zorbuddha]

25. I'm not vouching for the writer. I'm saying the book he cites

can be fact checked. Aside from opinion.

Opinion is dogma.

[bemildred]

27. So, you better get right on that. Check it all out. Give us details.

But seriously, it's easy enough to observe that al Qaeda, whatever you think it is, has NOT used any form of WMD. One could assume that is because they are too stupid to manage it, but in all others respects they have been kicking our ass, things are going very well from the al Qaeda point of view. So I think it's a policy decision. They stick with spectacular multiple attacks with conventional explosives. Why should they mess with a winning hand? WMD are messy, dangerous, hard to control, catastrophic public-relations-wise, etc. There is just no point in it.

[Zorbuddha]

28. cute

I meant in terms of context for discussion.

To cut the fearmongering from the real threat.

The body of your message is mostly assumption, but you pointed that out. I think you make a good overall point.

[ailsagirl]

11. Media Matters has some things to say about WorldNetDaily.com

Media Matters for America has repeatedly documented conservative misinformation being propagated by WorldNetDaily.com:

WND columnist and author Bob Kohn fabricated evidence that Senator John Kerry was having an affair with a New York Times reporter.

WorldNetDaily.com columnist and White House correspondent Les Kinsolving distorted a 1973 statement by Senator John McCain (R-AZ) to smear Kerry.

WorldNetDaily.com news reports have repeated discredited charges against Kerry's Vietnam war record; distorted a speech by progressive financier and philanthropist George Soros; and claimed that weapons of mass destruction were discovered in Iraq.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200409160002

[Zorbuddha]

14. If the supposed facts are bogus, they should be refuted.

That's the point.

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. The sad thing is

there are those out there who will believe this crap.

Let's see -- what would a black market nuke go for. 10 million? 40 of them? 400,000,000 dollars? Ya think such a transaction would escape the notice of even our intelligence service? And they'd trust delivery to a street gang?

Great - engender fear of terrorists and latinos in the same breath.

One, or even two nukes might escape notice, but 'at least 40' is pure nonsense.

[Zorbuddha]

16. Yes. That's the ticket!

This should be picked apart.

[Strelnikov_]

18. I Seriously Doubt That A Latino Street Gang

and "other organized crime groups" are interested in nuking a number of cities. Kind of seems like it would be bad for business.

They really need to hire some better fiction writers. When their 'news' reports become this implausible, the propaganda aspect becomes comically apparent.

[Zorbuddha]

22. It mostly refers claims by a former FBI consultant, not a WND reporter

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But the most disturbing news is that high level U.S. officials now believe at least some of those weapons have been smuggled into the U.S. for use in the near future in major cities as part of this "American Hiroshima" plan, according to an upcoming book, "The al-Qaida Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by Paul L. Williams, a former FBI consultant.

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[MercutioATC]

19. "smuggled...over the Mexican border"? IMPOSSIBLE!

We have a bunch of armed, not-too-bright civilian rednecks guarding that border...

[Zorbuddha]

20. And THEY ARE PISSED.

Boy, are they pissed.

[Turbineguy]

21. I would be surprised if they did not

already have such weapons in the US. This has been a long standing plan. Luckily for Al Qaeda, bin Laden has friends in the Whitehouse to help them by being incompetent at protecting this country, but skilled at lying and taking advantage of their incompetence.

Why has bin Laden not been caught? One wonders if there is an "October Surprise" type operation in force so that while American soldiers chase bin Laden, getting wounded and killed, he is always one step ahead.

[struggle4progress]

26. Guess they'd use em as fast as they could get em, if they had em.

[Elidor]

29. World Nut Daily??? Bwaaaaa!!!

This is a neocon wet dream. Why post such obvious trash?

[Moderator]

30. Locking

World Net Daily is not a valid news source.