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Starfury Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:57 AM
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Counterpunch - What's the Real Story on Karl Rove?
Pretty good article on Rove/Plame that focuses more on why Fitzgerald has been pursuing this case so vigorously and why both judges have been willing to jail Miller.


Bastille Day
July 14, 2005
Those Eight Black Pages
What's the Real Story on Karl Rove?

By JUDE WANNISKI

(...)

All of this led me to believe there had to be more to this story than the surface noise, or Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald would not have spent two years of his life trying to get to the bottom of things -- when it never seemed clear that Ms. Plame was a covert agent, traveling openly back and forth to her desk at Langley. It's now clear that there may be something VERY big going on here to explain all this time, money and effort. We don't know what it is, but it is in the hands of the prosecution and the federal courts, summarized in eight pages that Lawrence O'Donnell could write on July 7, on Ariana Huffington's website, "The One Very Good Reason Karl Rove Might Be Indicted." The headline is shocking in itself, coming from O`Donnell, a respected journalist, a man I`ve known since he served as chief of staff to the late Sen. Pat Moynihan in the 1980s.

In his July 7 blog, the "one good reason" he cites involves eight blank pages in a February decision by Circuit Court Judge David Tetel who joined his colleagues in ordering Cooper and Miller to reveal their sources. Tetel had earlier indicated he would dissent because the matter did not seem to be a danger to national security, but after looking at the evidence presented by the prosecution he decided they had to testify because, as O`Donnell puts it, "he found that the press privilege had to give way to the gravity of the suspected crime." He also notes: "All the judges who have seen the prosecutors secret evidence firmly believe he is pursuing a very serious crime, and they have done everything they can to help him get an indictment."

I certainly have no idea what`s in those eight blank pages, but I do know the Plame case involved President Bush`s assertion in his State of the Union Address prior to the decision to invade Iraq that Saddam Hussein had been attempting to buy "yellowcake," clear proof that he was still attempting to reconstitute a nuclear arsenal. It turns out that before the President made this assertion to the nation, members of his team, including CIA Director George Tenet, knew the documents supposedly proving Iraq's interest in yellowcake had been forged, and they also knew Joseph Wilson had returned from Niger months before the State of the Union address with a report that the information was false.

(...)

Judith Miller`s willingness to go to jail for at least four months is another matter. We do know there was no journalist in America more responsible for promoting the idea that Saddam was hiding chemical and biological weapons. She`d written a book about it and it has subsequently been revealed that her primary source in the months before and after the war was Ahmed Chalabi. Now a member of the new National Assembly in Iraq, Chalabi is supposedly "out of favor" with the Bush administration on CIA reports that he was revealing classified information to Iran, but that is clearly a charade and Chalabi remains as close to the neo-cons as he ever was. His connections go back to his days as a fellow classmate at the University of Chicago with Paul Wolfowitz, now World Bank president, and the chief architect of the war. In 2003, Miller would have no reason to get a phone call from anyone in the White House about the Plame affair, but because she was a trusted advocate for the war among the neo-cons, she might have gotten the leak from another administration source who would not give her the clearance Miller got because it might blow the whole business sky high.

(...)

http://www.counterpunch.org/wanniski07142005.html
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:08 AM
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1. Somehow I think this is another important part of this puzzle...
<snip>
Chalabi is supposedly "out of favor" with the Bush administration on CIA reports that he was revealing classified information to Iran, but that is clearly a charade and Chalabi remains as close to the neo-cons as he ever was.
<snip>

I have never been one to believe that this administration would turn on someone just because they're corrupt to the bone. Hasn't that been, and isn't that still, a major plus to bush** and the boys?
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:10 AM
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2. corrupt is a given
The true litmus test is whether or not their corruptness benefits the Bushies or someone else.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:55 AM
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3. What excuses will we hear when the whole business gets blown sky high?
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:54 AM
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4. Simply the numbers as well as the facts of this evolving story indicate
Rove and at least one other official will be indicted.

Now we know Rove is both a main source (for Cooper) and a confirming source for another (Novak, from whom he got Plame's name). With 6 initial sources and at least 3 confirming sources (both as reported), someone would have to coordinate the operation, assuring the initial callers that no two called the same source, that no one was overly eager, but would "drop it in," and a number of other officials would be ready and willing to confirm.


Therefore at least 2 people(Rove and Novak's initial source, perhaps Scooter Libby if today's reports pan out) served as main sources. (The fact that one source released Cooper from his agreement of confidentiality but one source did not release Miller also suggests at least 2 sources.) Rove would have to coordinate! To establish guidelines like: No source should call another's contact, Pitch the information off hand, not as the main subject, Make the contact think the source is trying to do him or her a favor ("Don't go too far out on this Wilson thing, I don't want you burnt."), etc. AND Rove would have had to field a group of officials to support the sources stories.

I say Rove coordinated because it is obvious he did so since anyone in the administration in possession of the Plame-Wilson-CIA link would have gone straight to the world master of deceitful politics, and now we know Rove was at least one of the leakers.

So, we could have at least 2 indictments for Rove (exposing and conspiring to expose) and (perhaps) 1 or more indictments for others (Novak and/or Miller's source). Not to mention exposure of those who condoned and confirmed the exposure.

I think the great thing we have going for us on this case is Patrick Fitzgerald. By all accounts a fine prosecutor.


Wow.
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SuperWonk Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:57 PM
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5. Is it me....
Or has this story totally gotten out of hand?
Shouldn't we just wait and hear what Fitzgerald has to say, and start to worry about what is 'known'... like the Supreme Court vacancies?

Are my priorities out of order?
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:16 PM
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7. You're right, but . . .
Alterman on Franken yesterday said Republican spin was so furious because they're trying to confuse the issue until another issue (nominee to Supreme Court?) takes it's place and then the public would barely remember when Fitzgerald's report or inndictments are issued. You're right in terms of the final legal judgments, but not about the political costs. If we catch them in this, even in the absurdty of their spinning, then we can show the "party of personal responsibility" for what it has become, and they might start shifting public opinion in a big way.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:11 AM
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9. excellent analysis, skip
:thumbsup:
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CheshireCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:56 PM
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6. Is Counterpunch down?
I've been trying to get to this story all day and i get a message saying that the server is down.

Can anyone help? I never have any trouble getting to this sight.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:20 PM
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8. I can't get it either. I even went to "Search" on Google and still can't
get it.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 03:07 AM
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10. they must have posted something good. I've been trying to get them
since this afternoon.

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:



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Starfury Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 03:08 AM
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11. Try this alternate link:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 09:16 AM
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12. Thanks this link works and what a read!!! Fascinating! n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 09:19 AM
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13. Check out Wanniski's Memo to Senator Byrd 6/18/03 which is linked under
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 09:19 AM by KoKo01
the article. It's a fascinating read about Wen Ho Lee and the NeoCons and the lead up to the War...Wanniski along with Jack Kemp was trying to stop the influence of the NeoCons. It's a must read...!
The CIA and That "Yellowcake"
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Memo: To Sen. Robert Byrd
From Jude Wanniski
Re: It Gets Worse


June 18, 2003


Which brings me to the reason for this memo about the “yellowcake” deal that turned out to be a forgery, almost certainly the work of Iraqi expatriates who were eager to have President Bush persuaded that a pre-emptive war was necessary. It was Gordon who e-mailed me about the inherent implausibility of the story to anyone schooled in nuclear weapons design. Here is how he put it:

"The neo-crazies must have been desperate to have seized on a sale of yellowcake by Niger to Iraq as an excuse for war. What good would yellowcake -- a mixture of Uranium oxides -- have been to the Iraqis? Yellowcake contains less than 0.3% U235. You need uranium enriched to 90% U235 to make a nuke. You need to be able to convert yellowcake into uranium hexafluoride -- a solid at room temperature. Then you need to gasify UF6 and run it through cascades of gas centrifuges, tens of thousands of them. Iraq never had the capability of producing kilogram amounts of HEU, and what capability they had was utterly destroyed during the Gulf War and its aftermath and never rebuilt."

See what I mean? You didn’t know that Senator, and I wouldn’t expect you to. But wouldn’t you expect the CIA to know that, so it could keep you and the President informed? What I mean to say is the intelligence problem is a lot worse than you had imagined. I’ll tell you something else. After President Bush was elected, I called my old friend Dick Cheney and asked for a meeting. I’ve known the Vice President from the days when he worked for Don Rumsfeld in the Nixon administration. So on January 3¸ before the inauguration, I flew to Washington and spent a half hour with him. My main mission was to explain to him that the economy was suffering from a rare form of monetary deflation that would not respond to tax cuts or interest rate cuts. But while I was there, I urged him to find a role for Dr. Prather in the new administration. I actually suggested he hire him as his own personal science advisor. He assured me he would take a look.


Here's the direct link to this memo:

http://www.wanniski.com/showarticle.asp?articleid=2704
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