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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:48 PM
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Arnold Unplugged - SPREAD THIS STORY FAR AND WIDE
Arnold Unplugged - It's hasta la vista to $9 billion if the Governator is selected

This was posted in GD - but it needs wide distribution in a hurry.

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=283&row=0

Now, thirty-four pages of internal Enron memoranda have just come through this reporter's fax machine tell all about the tryst between Maria's husband and the corporate con men.  It turns out that Schwarzenegger knowingly joined the hush-hush encounter as part of a campaign to sabotage a Davis-Bustamante plan to make Enron and other power pirates then ravaging California pay back the $9 billion in illicit profits they carried off.


Is Cruz not geting coverage or is he not talking about it. If not, why not.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:55 PM
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1. If Governor Schwarzenegger acts a Palast predicts
. . . then we'll just recall the bastard. This would be a far better reason than any given to recall Davis.

It's an interesting theory that Palast presents. It's not easy to dismiss out-of-hand. Palast has an excellent track record on matters such as this.


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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:59 PM
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2. I'm not sure that given this situation
we could, in good conscience, sit by and watch this possibly be put in motion. Michael Moore has been asking this question about Lay and Arnold for some weeks now.
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shamanstar Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 05:22 AM
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19. i would love to spend another 12 million
yea..
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:54 PM
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26. This is the Smoking GUN--IMPEACH ARNOLD!
There is no reason why the California Assembly cannot vote to impeach him based on this, unless the Democrats are spineless!

IMPEACH ARNOLD!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:02 PM
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3. OUR SMOKING CANNON HAS ARRIVED! WHOO-HOO!
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 11:04 PM by rocknation
And never mind worrying about what the press is saying about it. It's up to US to to get the word out--to the bloggers, the other liberal web sites, via letters to the editor, to the copy machines at the local stationery store to be handed out. I'm on the wrong coast--it's all on you, California! You've got the skinny on Arnold's Enron meeting and only ninety-six hours, SO GET TO WORK!!!!! (And pray that Palast hasn't been set up...)


rocknation

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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:14 PM
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4. This should be blast faxed to all media outlets.
Anyone have a link for a fax blaster. Are they still available?
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:21 PM
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5. We need the actual documents posted on several
high volume web site sites
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:29 PM
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7. Who knows teh BARTCOP people?
Where's Will Pitt????
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:25 PM
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6. Please repost this in LBN or GD!
It needs bigtime exposure. I just sent it to my entire list. Can Bev Harris get this story some play? How about Will and kef, over at Truthout?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:36 PM
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8. DONE and DONE
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fizzana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:39 PM
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9. This story has been out there for a while
although without some of the details that Greg Palast has provided.

I'm amazed that Davis hasn't used this in ads. I'm 100% he, or his people are aware of the meetings. This would be far more devastating for Ahnold than all the groping stories.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 08:44 AM
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21. It may have been on Net, but not in mainstream media
I haven't read this in the LA Times for instance.
The San Jose Mercury should get on this one.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 09:39 AM
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22. That's true
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 09:46 AM by Jack Rabbit
In Britain, Palast writes for the Guardian and appears on the BBC, but in his own country he is exiled from the mainstream media. This has a lot to do with the fact that he digs up stories that corporate America finds inconvenient. Palsast not only finds the story about the illegal disenfranchizement of Florida voters ahead of the 2000 election (without which Gore would have easily carried the state), but even tells us about the dealings of Barrick Goldstrike with companies that engage in the wholesale murder of Tanzanian miners.

Consequently, Palast's main audience in the US on the Net, a medium relatively free of corporate sponsorhsip. He is seldom seen on American television or heard on American radio, media thoroughly corrupted by corporate sponsorship.

As a result, this story will be slow to disseminate. It probably will have no effect on the election Tuesday.

However, as far as this Californian is concerned, the people's money is currently in the lairs of corporate pirates like Ken Lay. I want it back -- all of it, with interest. If, as Palast predicts, Schwarzenegger drops the pursuit of this money because of his connection with the thieves, then he is no better than a thief. It would provide solid ground to remove him from office.

The GOP, through the recall of Governor Davis for only vague reasons, has lowered the bar for recall well below being an accessory to robbery. They would have no right to complain if California voters move against Arnold for being in bed with Enron, Reliant, Duke and the rest.



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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:44 PM
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10. Let's ask Koppel and Nightline to report it
They may be able to use the info on Monday's show. The way they have been taking off after Bush & Co., they may be up for this.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/Nightline/Nightline_email_form.html
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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:52 PM
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11. I have a couple of 'bob killer' questions
dont shoot me - i'm just asking... i think arnold is just as big a prick as you do

ok - so he met with enron 10 days into the blackouts. Where were we at that point - I remember the cali govt looking to the energy dept to intervene in the markets, but i think that was before we got to blackouts. Was Davis threatening this sort of legal action?

From reading the emails, it looks as if Arnold was invited almost as an aside to inviting Riordan - and it certainly looks as if the idea was to garner republican support from a potential future republican governor against the screams from sacremento that deregulation was bad.

Now - will Arnold cut a deal, now that the suit is raised? good question. i'd be willing to put money on yes - but i'm not sure this meeting provides enough of a smoking gun that theres some sort of conspiracy at work here. I think he'll do it just because he's a prick.


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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:55 PM
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12. Look at the COMMON DREAMS article from AUGUST
all questions are answered

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0817-07.htm

and all they can talk about it asses and nazis - DAMN
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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:09 AM
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14. there it is...
"A week before the meeting, Davis signed legislation to create a state power authority that would buy, operate and build power plants in lieu of out-of-state energy companies, such as Enron, that the governor alleged was ripping off the state."

motive

as arnold said, 'where there's smoke there's fire'

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:59 PM
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13. I don't understand why Cruz and Davis don't tell voters that they're...
trying to get 9 Billion back from Enron and that, if Arnold's the next governor, CA will never see that money.

Why don't they tell us that?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:16 AM
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15. I agree that is an issue
but the bigger issue is the god damned manipulation of state governments - FL, TX, CA - why can we not STOP these thieves.
THIS IS FRUSTRATING
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:12 AM
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18. Very, very good question.
Maybe because that's an actual issue.
I don't know. None of this makes any sense.
I can't even stand talking about this damned recall anymore. Arnold just makes me sick. I hate him.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:07 AM
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16. Palast list his sources
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democramento Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:40 AM
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17. arnold admits to meeting, lies about numbers

Check out this story from yesterday, in which Arnold finally admits to the meeting, but then lies about the number of attendees!

http://newsreview.com/issues/sacto/2003-10-02/essay.asp
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 07:29 AM
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20. kick
:dem:
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:55 AM
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23. The lawsuit is a major item to me.....why does Cruz not mention it?
I emailed the story to many sources also
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:22 AM
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24. High Noon Kick

rocknation


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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 08:06 PM
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32. I saw him on CNN do a quick Rave on it before they shut him off, never saw
him speak again on tv... the media shut down that conservation very quickly.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:50 PM
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25. the Enronicans at work....
the looting continues
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 03:39 PM
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29. Now I understand why * didn't indict Lay. His work is not finished.
When the world finds out about Lay is about to accomplish, only the threat of physical violence is going to keep the mob from killing them all.

Remember Romania - don't think it can happen here? The crimes are much greater here in terms of scale and scope.
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LiberalUprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:21 PM
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27. KICK
nt
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:45 PM
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28. Enron's secret bid to save deregulation
The SF Chronicle covered it. This adds a little more light.

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Enron's secret bid to save deregulation

PRIVATE MEETING: Chairman pitches his plan to prominent Californians
Christian Berthelsen, Scott Winokur, Chronicle Staff Writers
Saturday, May 26, 2001

©2002 San Francisco Chronicle.

URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/05/26/MN209410.DTL


Energy executive Kenneth Lay, head of powerful Enron Corp., quietly courted Arnold Schwarzenegger, Richard Riordan, Michael Milken and other luminaries this week in Beverly Hills to drum up support for his solution to California's energy crisis.

His prescription called for more rate increases, an end to state and federal investigations and less rather than more regulation.

Lay, a close friend of President Bush and one of his largest campaign contributors, hosted a private 90-minute meeting in a conference room at the Peninsula Hotel in Beverly Hills on Thursday.

Among the participants were Milken, the former head of the Drexel Burnham Lambert investment banking firm who pleaded guilty to fraud charges in 1990 and who now runs a think tank based in Santa Monica; movie star Schwarzenegger; and Riordan, the mayor of Los Angeles. Schwarzenegger and Riordan have been courted recently as GOP gubernatorial candidates.

(snip)
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 06:05 PM
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30. Kicking...
:kick:
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 02:39 AM
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31. Kickin'
See this story to every TV, radio, newspaper you can think of.

Terminate the Pig who would be Gropenator!
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