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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 02:45 AM
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Extracts from Michael Moore's new book.
Courtesy of the UK Guardian, and from Michael Moore's new book Dude, where's my country? Here is "How to talk to your conservative brother-in-law". Enjoy. :-)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/michaelmoore/story/0,13947,1055594,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,1054730,00.html

After admitting that you're not always right, you will find your conservative friend more willing to listen. Then it's time to make the case for why he or she should consider looking at things in a different light. The most important thing is to NEVER make the "moral" argument about why the Pentagon should get less money or why a sick child deserves to see a doctor.

We have tried those arguments and they don't work with conservatives, so save your breath. Begin every point with this one sentence: "I want you to make more MONEY!" Then take a stab at discussing the issues with them:

Paying workers more money makes you money!

Providing daycare for your employees will make you money!

Joining a union will make you money!

Clean air and water save you money!

Stopping the drug war will save you money!

Giving lots of money to the public schools makes you money!

By never voting for a Republican again, you will make a tonne of money!


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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 02:57 AM
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1. Great stuff by Moore
If you are a worker, and not a boss, who considers himself a conservative and hates unions, I have one question: why? If you want to make more money, "union" is the way to go. According to the US department of labour, union workers make an average of $717 a week. Non-union workers like you make an average of $573 a week. Being a conservative is about you and you making as much money as you can. So why stay non-union?
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:04 PM
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3. It's so true
:)
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 02:56 PM
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2. and health insurance ....
I know plenty of small businesses up here in Canada that couldn't afford to keep operating (or would have to get by with far fewer employees) if they had to provide medical care for their staff!

Having the government administer and fund social programmes can free employers from a lot of the expense and paperwork.


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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 06:50 AM
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4. Interview with Michael Moore
http://www.guardian.co.uk/michaelmoore/story/0,13947,1055591,00.html

The notion of Moore as a reluctant controversialist is a difficult one to swallow. This is the journalist who held a mock funeral of a dying man outside the offices of the healthcare provider that had denied him the transplant that would save his life. (The man got his transplant.) He is the film-maker who turned up at Kmart's headquarters in Bowling For Columbine with two young boys who'd been shot, asking if they could return the bullets still in their bodies and demanding that the store stopped selling handgun ammunition. (Kmart finally complied.) In short, political tumult is not something that gatecrashes Moore's otherwise quiet life. He courts it, flirts with it, engages it and is ultimately wedded to it.

As an activist, polemicist and journalist, Moore occupies a unique space in the US media and politics. He does so not because he is dissident - America has many dissenting voices, even if most are rarely heard - but because of the combination of what he says, and the way he says it, on television, film and in books. He is a choir of one with little in the way of back-up vocals.

He has equivalents on the right in America, such as the columnist Ann Coulter and the radio shock jock Mike Savage, but they have a rightwing administration, Congress and media to back them up. He has equivalents on the left in Britain, but they have a long-established liberal network and a public understanding of satire to sustain them. Moore has no such tradition to fall back on. He is like Mark Thomas in a journalistic culture that has produced no John Pilger or Paul Foot; like Tony Benn in a political culture that never produced a Labour party; at his most scathing, he is like Julie Burchill in a nation that couldn't cope with Spitting Image. Then, suddenly last year, he had lots of company. Stupid White Men became the bestselling non-fiction book of the year and Bowling For Columbine became a hit. Through them, he bypassed the cultural and political gatekeepers, and established a link with a huge swath of Americans whose voices were not being heard.

For Moore, this is not just a personal achievement, but a political triumph. "Only that British woman, JK Rowling, has sold more books than me this year," he says gleefully. "Think about that. It's Harry Potter and it's Michael Moore. In fiction it's her and in non-fiction it's me. So the American public, during a time when everyone was supposedly rallying behind George Bush, was buying something called Stupid White Men, which essentially trashes George Bush." His detractors have branded his work "Chomsky for children", but my guess is that he would consider that a compliment. Chomsky reaches thousands, maybe tens of thousands. Moore reaches millions, maybe tens of millions.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 05:47 PM
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5. This sounds oddly
like what he wrote in Stupid White Men. :shrug:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:17 AM
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11. Perhaps you should buy the book
and find out for sure. Then you would have to shrug or be in doubt.

By the way did you buy "Stupid White Men?"
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 11:54 AM
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6. Moore extracts!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/michaelmoore/story/0,13947,1056922,00.html

I have seven questions for you Mr Bush. I ask them on behalf of the 3,000 that September day, and I ask them on behalf of the American people. We seek no revenge against you. We only want to know what happened, and what can be done to bring the murderers to justice, so that we can prevent any future attacks on our citizens.

1. Is it true that the Bin Ladens have had business relations with you and your family off and on for the past 25 years?

2. What is the "special relationship" between the Bushes and the Saudi royal family?

3. Who attacked the US on September 11 - a guy on dialysis in a cave in Afghanistan, or your freind, Saudi Arabia?

4. Why did you allow a private Saudi jet to fly around the US in the days after September 11 and pick up members of the Bin Laden family and fly them out of the country without a proper investigation by the FBI?

5. Why are you protecting the second ammendment rights of potential terrorists?

6. Were you aware that while you were govenor of Texas, the Taliban travelled to Texas to meet with your oil and gas company freinds?

7. What exactly was that look on your face in the Florida classroom on the morning of September 11 when your chief of staff told you, "America is under attack"?
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:25 AM
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7. Yet Moore Stuff!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/michaelmoore/story/0,13947,1057354,00.html

And Moore's message to Tony Blair

http://www.guardian.co.uk/michaelmoore/story/0,13947,1057374,00.html

Thank you, Mr Blair. Without you, Bush would have had to invade Iraq alone. But he needed at least one major ally to make it look like it wasn't just the Americans doing the nasty deed. The American people were against going it alone. Once you hopped on board, Bush had the cover he needed. You made that happen. You are the one who gave us the Iraq war. I hold you more responsible for this mess than little Georgie.

You see, Georgie is an idiot - but you, sir, are not. You know better. You are an otherwise smart man with a nice smart wife whom I've taken a hankerin' to (but I'll save that for another book).

What is your excuse for leading your people into this lunacy? Did you really think that you would get away with it? Your people read! They think! They discuss politics! They know where Iraq is! Did you think you were leading a nation of Americans?

It really appears you've gone mad. And then, to have set your dogs on some poor man who was just following his conscience in telling the BBC the truth - how do you sleep at night? All you're missing now is someone to go on stage at the Bafta awards and say, "Shame on you, Mr Tony, shame on you!"
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4thepeople Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:45 PM
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8. I love Michael Moore...
I love Michael Moore - he is funny, makes sense and provides a much needed "wake up call" for Americans. He sells a lot of books, but I wonder if he really gets through to anyone apart from the already converted. I am afraid many average Americans, who need to hear his message the most, don't listen because they are turned off by his style. But then again, he gets headlines because of his style. I am curious to hear what others think.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 11:48 AM
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13. If Moore's Preaching to the Choir
Edited on Wed Oct-15-03 11:51 AM by jokerman2004
I still don't see that as a big problem. For me, the bottom line is that he has introduced a long-needed, powerful innoculation of fact and dissent into the public discourse.

Love him. Disparage him. Laugh at his theatrics. Spit on him. Wish him ill. Doesn't matter.

The right people with the right connections, skills, and resources will follow up on his claims.

Moore is the King's Fool who tells the truth.

I believe he's being exactly who we need him to be. And by the way, even the Bushies know he's untouchable! I mean, what would YOU think if he suddenly had an "apparent" heart attack???

I love it!

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 01:24 AM
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9. Can't wait to read this book
Can't wait to see other read it, too.

People like Michael Moore without a doubt have the ability to reach through to people who have simply grown up with/around conservatives, who have never really given much thought to the aftermath of coservative behavior in the world.

He has the power to snap them the hell out of it, if they come within range of a tv showing a rerun of his programs, movies, or if they have a friend who shares bits of books with them.

Not all "conservatives" are stupid. Some of them are simply imitating their preposterous parents.

Thanks a lot, Thankfully_in_Britain. Just got the book this afternoon, by the way! Woo hooooooo! :bounce: :bounce:
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:50 AM
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10. That's cool.
Any thoughts on the book from those who have read it yet?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:18 AM
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12. Yeah, I've been reading it
for two days now. 'Tis outstanding!
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