Leftwingers only: let the ruling class eat itself!

[Dirk39]

Hello from Germany:
Dear Comrades!
(and please, all of you faith-based boring liberals and moderates: leave us alone for a while and pray to Kerry, Blinton and Clair to be the lesser evil and save you in a more moderate but even stronger war against your selfmade terror!)


Just a few weeks ago, I started to listen to "The Truth about Markets" from KbQB-Radio with Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert.
Now, I want to marry Stacy and Herbert.




But apart from this privat issue:

It's one of the most entertaining radio-programmes I ever had the pleasure to listen to.

http://www.karmabanqueradio.blogspot.com/
It's available through www.radio4all.net/ too.

But now to Max Reiser's strategy:
"It's easy to get rich people to attack other rich people!
**avoid wasting time with your campaigns - attack stock prices! **you don't need money to attack a company's stock price: hedge funds (rich people) will attack a company's stock price (other rich people) for you if you bait them correctly with boycotts. **we crunch the numbers and recommend the best hedge-fund-baiting boycotts. "


I love him as much as any real situationist.

1. This stategy is using the weapons of our enemies, their most cynical weapons, but directing them against themselves

2. it somehow prevents us from attacking single corporations, just because they are more evil than other corporations (capitalism is o.k., just a few bad greedily apples give capitalism a bad name)

3. At the same time it's dirty and radical and reckless.

http://www.karmabanque.com/

I like Max Reiser's strategy. I don't believe it alone will save us from anything, but isn't this a fairly decent weapon:

Before we get out the guillotines again and storm the Bastille, shouldn't we give it a try, even if it's just a part of a more complex strategy?

Dirk

[knowbody0]

1. wow!

thanks

[Dirk39]

3. Hi, that's what the enemy is saying: (Washington Post):

Hedge Funds Banking on Social and Moral Issues

By Thomas M. Kostigen
Special to The Washington Post
Saturday, December 25, 2004; Page D07

Wealthy British scion Zak Goldsmith and investment activist Max Keiser want to take down Coca-Cola Co., and they have added a new twist to the age-old tactic of boycotting: They have opened a hedge fund designed to profit from any decline in the soft drink conglomerate's stock price.

"We're simply picking up on a trend and giving people the tools to use," Keiser said. "The Internet allows people, activists, from all over the world to gather, or swarm, and hit a company where it hurts most -- in their stock price."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25215-2004Dec24.html

They try to reduce it to a moral complaint again - it's not about bad apples, it's about vulnerability, like Max has said again and again.

It might sound cynical, but it's the opposite: We should attack corporations just like Bush, Clinton and his comrades are destroying countries and people. Attack the weakest of them first. Let's turn this around and don't forget to add: they have weapons of mass-destruction:-)
It's not gentleman-like, o.k., but it's a strategy and it's not even a lie.

Dirk

[knowbody0]

4. i love the vision of a swarm of people

hitting them where it hurts. Right now they laugh at us.

NOT FOR LONG !

[applegrove]

2. I think there is something in the Walrus magazine on rich classes &

how they have to bear the burden of warlikeness. How the Roman rich did a tax revolt and that ended that. I think it was this month's Walrus.

[Dirk39]

5. O.K O.K tell me about Rome anytime,

but I want YOU to help ME and the REST OF THE PLANET to not just let these pathologic mass-murderers bear the BURDEN of THEIR wars. I want you to help us to let them drink their own piss, while they are dying. And to commit something against these idiots that is even more harmfull than dying: to let them watch their stock-value collapsing: one after another and one (of them!) against one another. Death doesn't matter for them anyway, it's just a minor issue, even their own death, they want their stock dividends to survive themselves: this is their religion.
This is their heaven. Let's turn it into hell. That's all I'm asking for.

Dirk

[applegrove]

6. The economy doesn't have to be destroyed. They could withdraw

from Iraq asap and then as soon as the Dems take over the house in 2006 - the whole 'starve the beast' could be reversed. Taxes could pay for this war. The rich have to sacrifice something. The whole world uses US currency and that gives the US a free pass to be in debt. But spread that luck around. Let a fuller employment policy be the norm. And the rich can help fight inflation with mild stock market recessions every 5 years. Then everyone is doing their part.

Right now - BUsh is throwing everything at the stock-market in one-time bumps. And going into debt. And starving the middle class purposefully. This is a subsidy to the rich.

If the USA benefits from being world currency and will for 50 years..share that 'free pass on debt' with everyone in the country.

[Dirk39]

7. I wish I could share your optimism...

I'm pretty convinced you're just a CIA-agent, who wants to turn away the readers from Max's strategy anyway:-)

I'm not optimistic in anyway about the so-called democrats taking the house in 2006. The democrats are the elected party in the USA for many years now, but they don't even care about being elected. Who cares about one or the other right wing of US-corporations governing the USA?
The Democrats at least don't! Not Kerry, not Al Gore.
Otherwise, I'm not so sure about the whole world using US currency.

"And the rich can help fight inflation with mild stock market recessions every 5 years. Then everyone is doing their part. "

Everyone is doing their part:
This is exactly what the rich did during the last thousands of years... Just coincidentally, they murdered millions and millions and millions of people doing THEIR PART.
Wake up!
Maybe I should just remind you that it was a so-called democrat with the name Clinton, who gave the "everyone is doing their part"-principle the death-shot. Clinton was just doing the groundwork for Bush-II.

The U.S.A. is in such a desperate situation now, that Bush is trying to create a bubble just as corporate-whore Clinton did in the 90ies with the so-called New-Markets: to destroy social security to get the last fluent money of U.S. citizens into the stock market to create the last possible bubble within the stock market. Then it's over.
Hopefully for them, not for all of us.

Dirk

[applegrove]

8. Clinton did the bubble to get control over the Saudi wealth skewing the

U.S. economy. He tried on health care. You cannot possibly equate the two (Clinton's policies with Bush's). Thinking like that makes for several very small tents. Many Dems are fiscal conservatives. There is no reason why it should not be made illegal for corporations to over fund think tanks and pursue government to destroy it and its capability to regulate (where regulations are needed).

Not a black and white issue.

The rich did pay income taxes. Countries outside the US have social programs they can afford. And where they cannot afford - they get efficient. All the West has a shared risk health care program. Why not the US.

They are not the enemy..the third wayers. Well Blair is a bad example because he is such a gullible man.

Surely there will be more for everyone if we increase trade around the world. We just don't have to encourage outsourcing as much. We can level standards in trade agreements that allow for national programs where they meet some policy need of the country.

Don't give up.

And CIA? No. The freepers get online and start arguments to divide us. Nobody who is still talking about a big Democratic tent and that we have to get together - all of us with our various liberal views and vote together - nobody who is doing that is a phony. Freepers very much want to paint the Bono's of the world as far left and isolate them. Don't fall for that.

The GOP wins by marginalizing the far left. That is the wedge along with diebold (I just have not seen proof that other than vote suppression by too few machines..any votes were actually stolen).

Let's stick together.

The 20th century was filled with corporations who then got regulated in the 1930s. And yes there were corporate crimes (usually outside North AMerica). But corporations did well for the country. They are a tool of ours. We can control them. We just have to vote together to do that.