A Comeback for Ralph???

[Montauk6]

Published on Saturday, September 10, 2005 by CommonDreams.org

No Contest: Real Questions for Judge Roberts
by Ralph Nader

With the proper media focus on the horrors of Hurricane Katrina and the subsequent preventable destruction by flooding of lives, hopes and jobs, the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing this week on the nomination of Judge John G. Roberts Jr. to be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States will be fighting for public attention.

That is too bad. Supreme Court nominations are a rare opportunity for millions of Americans to watch, learn and converse about what the Court, the Constitution and the Justices mean for their way of life, their freedoms and their livelihoods.

The expected alignments, called left and right by the press, are hard at work opposing and supporting the nominee.

http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views05/0910-22.htm


and from Nader's blog (9/2/05)...

Bush, Katrina and Big Oil

For over two years I have been saying that the Mayor of Baghdad, George W. Bush, should be paying attention to America, including its massively unmet public works needs. But the President, who scheduled five weeks in Crawford, Texas, to assure “a balanced life,” is now finding his political status unbalanced and hanging by fewer and fewer threads.

The unfolding megadisasters in New Orleans, Missisippi and Alabama have torn the propaganda curtain away from this arrogant President and is showing the American people just what results for their daily livelihoods from an administration obsessed with the fabricated Iraq war and marinated with Big Oil.

http://www.nader.org/template.php?/archives/192-Bush,-Katrina-and-Big-Oil.html

[Prodemsouth]

1. Yawn Yawn yawn - Go to hell Nader, before someone throws

another pie in your face!

[NWHarkness]

2. Would Al Gore Have Nominated Roberts?

No?

Then go pound sand up your ass, Ralph.

[Lindacooks]

3. Shut up, Ralph. You're an egomaniacal pig.

[depakid]

4. Such intelligent comments from the Nader haters

Sheesh- maybe one might bother to read what he's saying- as in- maybe the Dems should grow up and start asking some serious questions of Roberts, rather than huddling around making weak minded statements that seem to be giving in to the idea that he'll be confirmed.

If the Dems actually WERE an opposition party- and if there actually were a dimes worth of difference between the DINO's (like Lieberman) and the Republicans, Nader wouldn't keep having to say these things- and he probably wouldn't have run in 2000.

[Prodemsouth]

5. He did not have to run in 2000 He could have just shut the hell up

He helped Bush, I will never forgive him. I read what he said, there are many others who have already said the same things including people within the Democratic Party. Did I meniton I hate Nader. Roberts will be confirmed regardless of what the Democrats do. Voting has consequences- like voting for Nader and you get Bush. GOT IT!!!! Yeah Nader voter/supporters are just overflowing with intelligent remarks. They think they are so above everyone else when they ar so stupid!

[struggle4progress]

7. George stole the election, and you blame Ralph? eom

[Prodemsouth]

8. There were many factors for Gore not being President including

Nader being in the race. If Nader was not in the race, exit polling shows Gore could have taken NH and we would not have to worry about Florida. Nader was part of the problem- deal with it. A outcome or result can have many different reasons behind it, not just one- you haven't been taught that yet?

[struggle4progress]

10. Ya think Ralph affected the outcome of Bush v Gore in SCOTUS?

Not blinkin likely, I think.

And these fugheads had their strategy mapped out with plenty a contingency plans, ya may be sure.

I've always liked Ralph.

Course, I don't think he brought much to the 00/04 campaigns, but so what?

I'm gonna keep my eye on my real enemies and not waste energy p!ss!n on an old friend.

[Prodemsouth]

12. Would not have had to go to SCOTUS if Gore won NH. Again

Gore would not have had to worry about FL, Nader was a problem in NH. Nader is friends with completely loathsome Grover Norquist. You all have fun together now. How come so many right wingers loved him post 2000. Was even publicly thanked by them at certain events. I will happily piss on Nader if I could get away with it. Nader IS a real enemy to progressive success where have you been?? Bye bye.

[struggle4progress]

13. An analysis like that presupposes that the Nader voters would ..

.. have voted for Gore. In a country where 50% of the population doesn't even bother to vote, it's entirely plausible that many Nader voters wouldn't have voted at all if Nader hadn't been on the ticket.

I am aware of a few cases where Nader and Norquist came down on the same side, such as

Right-Left Coalition Denounces Boeing Corporate Welfare Deal
http://www.commondreams.org/news2001/1220-02.htm

but your suggestion that they are somehow "friends" really requires documentation, which you didn't offer ...

[NNadir]

22. Well he did represent that Bush was as moderate as Gore.

All of the Repukes are the same, whether they are Nader Repukes or Bush Repukes:

They deny responsibility for their actions. Everything is someone else's fault.

Nader is a corporate CNN whore.

I noticed that neither Bush nor Nader went to the Morial Center as Mr. Gore did.

For my money, there is no difference between Bush or Nader. Rich spoiled duplicitous brats. They deserve each other.

[WhiteTara]

11. Oh Yawn

:boring:

[zalinda]

6. Nader had his chance to help this country

He blew it, not once, but twice. Huge ego, not a lot of real patriotism.

zalinda

[Prodemsouth]

9. He did save peoples lives through consumer protection activism

in the late 60s and 70s. But the fiascos he pulled recently esp in 2000 resulted in more people beng killed than the ones he saved. He is partly responsible for the war in Iraq and the Katrina response.

[WhiteTara]

15. there is speculation that the life saving was only incidental

his real mission was to stop the small cars, because Detroit didn't want to have to retool, and didn't want to have to deal with them, so Nadir's assignment was to stop them, and sure enough, instead of making the small car more safe, they simply eliminated the small car...until Japan brought us the Toyota and Honda.

[struggle4progress]

16. Hooey. His whole career has consisted of setting up organizations ..

.. to counter corporate power.

[mac56]

17. Ironic, then, isn't it?

His antics in 2000 did more to promote corporate power than anything imaginable.

Funny how that works out...

[Skittles]

18. nothing funny about it

:(

[struggle4progress]

19. When Republicans steal an election, my reaction would be to ..

.. regard THEM as my real enemies -- but that's just me ...

[mac56]

21. When an idol of millions of progressives helps the Republicans

my reaction is to become angry and disillusioned...but that's just me.

[struggle4progress]

23. John Roberts, of course, played a big role in plotting Bush v Gore

and so would seem to be a more strategic object of your ire at this time.

[mac56]

24. I'm quite able to multitask, thankyouverymuch.

Don't suggest who I may or may not be angry at.

[struggle4progress]

26. Yourewelcomeverymuch

[struggle4progress]

27. Perhaps you'll explain the political benefits we get by p!ss!ng on Ralph

.. cause somehow I can't see that this big silly diversion from real issues has helped anybody except George and his crowd ...

Well, don't let me keep you from your multi-tasking :)

[mac56]

29. so you say

We got jobbed, and Ralphie unwittingly helped them do it to us. I say "unwittingly" to give him the benefit of the doubt, and because I did profoundly respect him at one time.

Perhaps that's the benefit you seek so devoutly: we learn from this, so we won't get fooled again.

[mac56]

14. Too little, too late.

Lamenting the horrible. horrible mess that he himself helped to create.

Ralph should shut the fuck up.

[calico1]

20. The Rebubs did steal the election but that

was doable because of the tightness of the race. Had Nader not run, NH and Fla would have gone to Gore. I remember polls taken at the time. Most people that voted for Nader would have voted for Gore had the choice been bush or Gore. So I do not buy that Nader didn't help bush win the election. He most certainly did. I don't care what he does from now on. His hand in getting bush in the WH will never be erased or changed. Nothing he does can make me respect him again.

[LittleClarkie]

32. For me, it's that he took Smear Vet money, claiming it must be that

they really supported him, as opposed to trying to help Bush.

He took blood money. He can't now turn around and bite the hand that fed him and expect applause, at least not from me.

Buchannan, for all his anti-war chatter, voted for Bush because of the Supreme Court. So go and slobber over Roberts, Pat, and shut up about what Bush isn't doing in Iraq.

They are both irrelevant at this point.

[robbedvoter]

25. Nader the Cadaver - please stay down this time!

We are dealing with the consequences of your egomania - don't kibbitz now, OK?

[yurbud]

28. his analysis is still dead on. His presidential run showed he's no...

Machiavellian.

If I was president, I'd put Ralph in charge of the SEC,FTC,FDA, or all of them.

[LittleClarkie]

30. That's nice, Ralph

Now be a dear and fuck off, won't you?

You can't take their money and then pretend you have no blood on your hands.

You were a good and sane man once. I fear your little red choo choo has gone around the bend, however.

Like Buchannan, you only sound sane once in a while, until folks look closer and realize you're batshit crazy.

[Goldensilence]

31. ummm

just a thought...but trying to introduce a much needed third party to our bullshit bipartisan systen isn't such a bad idea. I mean of ALL the industrialized DEMOCRACIES in the world...why are we the only one to only use a two party system?The only one to use a win or lose electorial system? I'd like to see a radical break off of the democrats....A person for more leftist radicals to vote for. Think....the repubs would have to deal with the dems in the middle.