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HomerRamone Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:36 PM
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"Anti-war Ad Says Bush 'Lied'"
Edited on Mon Sep-26-05 07:43 PM by HomerRamone
Someone needs to submit a good rebuttal...

http://FactCheck.org

Anti-war Ad Says Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & Rice "Lied" About Iraq
We find some subtle word-twisting, and place the claims in context.

September 26, 2005

Summary

An anti-war coalition of mostly liberal groups ran a newspaper ad quoting six alleged lies about Iraq by President Bush and others.

But, like movie blurbs, the quotes sometimes look different when read in full context.

And while much of what the ad calls lies was indeed wrong, there's evidence that the President and his advisers believed the falsehoods at the time.

Analysis

The ad carried a bold-faced headline saying "They Lied," and six brief quotes from Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and National Security Adviser Rice (now Secretary of State). It also carried a list of American military personnel killed in Iraq, along with the words "They Died."

The ad appeared Sept. 22 in USA Today and more than a dozen other newspapers. The sponsor, "Win Without Wars," is a coalition made up of groups including MoveOn.org Political Action, and using Fenton Communications, the same media consultant used by MoveOn.org.

The brief quotes all seem starkly false in hindsight. But some are a bit too stark – they look a bit different when read in full context. Furthermore, calling them lies suggests Bush and his advisers knew they were wrong at the time. And a bipartisan commission concluded earlier this year that what the Bush administration told the world about Iraqi weapons – while tragically mistaken – was based on faulty intelligence.

"We found the weapons"

<...>

"Saddam Hussein had al-Qaeda ties."

<...>

"We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators"

<...>

"We know where the WMDs are."

<...>

"Saddam is actively pursuing a nuclear weapon."

<...>

Looking back, it is now clear that much of what is quoted in this ad was, even in context, false or misleading. To say Bush and the others "lied," however, requires evidence that they knew the intelligence they were getting was wrong. The unanimous finding of the Intelligence Commission argues against that idea.

Sources

Interview of the President by TVP, Poland, Office of the White House Press Secretary, 29 May 2003.

Report to the President , Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction, 31 March 2005.

Remarks by the President after meeting with Members of the Congressional Conference Committee on Energy Legislation, Office of the White House Press, Secretary 17 Sep 2003.

The 9/11 Commission Report, Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, 22 July 2004.

"Interview with Vice President Cheney," Meet the Press, NBC, 13 Mar 2003.

"OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM (OIF) U.S. CASUALTY STATUS"
AS OF: Sep 26, 2005, 1000 a.m. EDT, US Department of Defense, 26 Sep 2005.

“Donald Rumsfeld” This Week with George Stephanopoulos, ABC (Transcript) 30 Mar 2003.

"Interview with Condoleezza Rice," CNN Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, 8 Sep 2002.

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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:38 PM
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1. No fucking shit!!!
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:42 PM
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2. Context, schmontext.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:43 PM
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3. Wow. . .day late and dollar short. Bush lied? Say it ain't so.
That's like saying "The sun came up yesterday." Where was this "ad" when it wasn't so well known???
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:43 PM
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4. they did lie
Tony Blair and George Bush and their colleagues had decided to go to war with Iraq long before it went to Congress. Information was false regarding WMDs. People working in both US and UK administrations and leaked documents have now proved that they knowingly went to war on lies.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:50 PM
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5. Is it any wonder that Cheney quotes
FactCheck.org? It's sad when the "fact checkers" suck!
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 08:01 PM
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6. The ad ran in the Minneapols Star Tribune last Thursday
in the A section. It was two full pages with "they lied" on the left hand page and "they died" on the right. I thought it was very powerful. My mom doesn't get the daily paper so I took it over to show her. (Mom has always been anti Bush and anti war so it wasn't to convert her.) I kind of wish I haven't as she says she's just been haunted by the list of names. I hope it drives the point home to Bushbots.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 08:09 PM
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7. It also ran in the Cincinnati Enquirer, two pages but not a doubletruck
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 08:54 PM
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8. It ran in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette as well. I was really surprised...
by the impact that it had on me when I opened it. The first page had a lot of empty space. This worked well. The other page was filled, in small print, with the names of those killed in the conflict in Iraq. I was impressed, and I would think that people more to the center would be impressed as well.
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