California politicos want to change recall laws.

[theivoryqueen]

Right - now that they got what they wanted. It seems rather unfair to employ a process to take something from someone else, then change the rules so what was taken cannot be taken back?


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-chemerinsky29oct29,1,6909179.story?coll=la-headlines-oped-manual

I want to add that I am not a fan of the recall process, and considered it inappropriate to attempt to "do-over" an election that had already happened. But having used the recall process to unseat one governor and then shutting the gate on the process is hypocritical.

[joeybee12]

1. Yeah, but at least these guys aren't Repukes

The law is a mess, but I'd like to see it used on a Repuke before it's changed. F**k them!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GeekLife]

2. No change needed

The recall process has been initiated against every governor in California history since its becoming part of the California Constitution. And this latest was the 2nd attempt against Davis. The 1st was in his first term and was a miserable failure.

This was the first time that a recall actually made it to the ballot.

Something that has succeeded once in 90 years does not need to be rewritten.

[Wellong]

5. I agree

no need to change the law.

[Tempest]

6. So it's alright for 6% of registered voters to overturn an election?

The number of signatures needs to be increased to reflect the increase in registered voters.

[Wellong]

7. If more people voted

the number needed would rise on its own.

Clearly the threshold to get a recall on the ballot appears low on paper, but in practice it is very difficult.

In the 92 years that the recall has been part of the California Constitution it has been attempted against every governor. Every one!

And this one was the 2nd attempt against Davis, and was the first in history to actually make it to the ballot.

If the threshold for a recall was so low, it would have made it to the ballot in the past as well. It never did.

[Tempest]

10. Once again the Repug apologist speaks

"Clearly the threshold to get a recall on the ballot appears low on paper, but in practice it is very difficult."

You can't be serious. Or you're serious because you don't have a clue as to what was happening during the signature drive.

"In the 92 years that the recall has been part of the California Constitution it has been attempted against every governor. Every one!"

That's bullshit. Let's see a cite.

"If the threshold for a recall was so low, it would have made it to the ballot in the past as well. It never did."

Name one other recall attempt which had a rich Repug funding it. The recall drive was dead until Issa dropped $1.2 million into it.

[Wellong]

11. I am serious

You can't be serious. Or you're serious because you don't have a clue as to what was happening during the signature drive.

I am serious. In 92 years, and 31 attempts a single recall petition has made it to the ballot. Clearly, the task of getting a recall on the ballot is not easy.

That's bullshit. Let's see a cite.

Here is just one for you. Instead of having a knee-jerk reaction, do some research before shooting off your mouth.

"California is one of the few states that has a recall process. However, only a handful of the 100-plus recall attempts in the nations history have qualified for the ballot, and only two legislators have been removed from office. None of the 31 gubernatorial recall attempts in California have ever made it to the ballot."

http://pioneer.csuhayward.edu/PioneerWeb/PioneerNews7-10-03/PioneerNews7-10-03-page2.pdf

Name one other recall attempt which had a rich Repug funding it. The recall drive was dead until Issa dropped $1.2 million into it.

I guess the democrats are barred by law from doing the same thing? No their not. And there is over $3 million waiting for democrats to start a recall of Arnold. And unfortunately, the recall was well on its way before Issa dropped his check book into it.

On Edit: I am no repug apologist, and I demand an apology. Sorry if you do not like the facts and the truth of the matter at hand because they do not conform to your view and wishes. But the truth is the truth and the facts are the facts wether you, I, or anyone else likes them.

[tlb]

12. How could you NOT know the history of California recalls ?

With the media fixation on California the last several months I thought by now we were all experts on the subject. Thirty one is the count mentioned in the press. Here is a brief history.



California history full of recall attempts

By MARGARET TALEV Sacramento Bee


SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- He was California's governor and hoped to be his party's next nominee for president or vice president. His slim chances were dashed when activists who didn't like him, his tax increases or his plans to cut school and health care funds mounted a campaign to recall him from office.

At first, politicians from the opposing party kept their distance from the campaign. No past attempt to recall a governor had succeeded. The recall seemed to have legs, however, and by June his supporters were worried.

The scenario may sound familiar. But the target was actually Republican Gov. Ronald Reagan and the year 1968.

Several governors prior to Reagan and all who followed have been the subjects of recall drives in California. Most drives fizzled fast. A 1940 attempt against Democrat Culbert Olson and the 1968 campaign against Reagan went far but still fell short of qualifying for a special election.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2003/06/10/news/national/7aeb07fc48369610416e5e0fef13c0b5.txt


And yes, the law does need revision. Standards for recall should be set. That was precisely the point I had to keep making as I was forced to defend the legitimacy of the recall, because California had chosen NOT to define ground for recall. Anything goes, and that as we have seen is a poor way to run a state.

You might owe the guy an apology for the "bullshit" remark.

[Tempest]

13. You failed to prove his point

He stated that a recall has been attempted against EVERY SINGLE GOVERNOR.

The article you provided doesn't prove that.

[Manix]

3. They will need this to throw Arnold out when he screws up!!

nt

[The Zanti Regent]

4. We need to throw out Shelley and Lockeyer!

Both of those traitors should be recalled along with Governor Meathead!

[Wellong]

8. Being a California citizen

how about starting the recall drive you call for in your post?

[Valarauko]

9. Lockyer definitely must be thrown out

How can I help? :-)