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SoulDrift Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:02 PM
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Democrats' Key to Success: the Spiritual Left
Edited on Sun Mar-19-06 09:03 PM by SoulDrift
Cross-posted to Blog and Tan.

It has been argued before, but bears repeating, that in order to compete in the values arena for American voters in the 21st century, the Democratic Party needs to make friends with the spiritual Left. Modern American voters are concerned with values for many reasons, predominantly because American culture is materialistic and because the media saturates the airwaves with images of sex, violence and other bad influences. They want to influence public policy in a way that will improve the moral fiber of America, and thus far the Republican party has done a much better job of convincing voters it can do so by aligning with conservative Christians.

Sadly, it has not done so. It has mobilized voters using a combination of divisive issues which are not necessarily Christian in nature. The agenda includes limiting gay rights, limiting abortion rights, ensuring gun rights, and support for the death penalty. By implicitly associating terrorism with Islam, the Republicans have garnered very strong support from this group for the war on terror. They have also linked a sense of Christian morality to free market capitalism, ensuring opposition to excessive regulation. Their twisted logic has garnered widespread support for the concept that government should not attempt to provide a safety net for the poor, that such needs should be handled by "faith based" institutions. Naturally those faith based institutions could be expected to attempt to convert those it helps, whether or not the people needing help are interested in such conversion.

A piece in Common Dreams had this to say about the 2004 election:
Imagine if John Kerry had been able to counter George Bush by insisting that a serious religious person would never turn his back on the suffering of the poor, that the bible's injunction to love one's neighbor required us to provide health care for all, and that the New Testament's command to "turn the other cheek" should give us a predisposition against responding to violence with violence.

There is significant support for themes of social justice in Christianity, but those themes are not the ones emphasized today. Some groups have emerged to energize a movement to "reclaim" Christianity; among those are the Christian Alliance for Progress and the Center for Progressive Christianity. The Catholic Church has a long tradition of emphasizing the social justice aspects of Jesus' teaching, and has taken a consistent stand both against abortion and against the death penalty.

Making astute political use of these themes will require compromise. This article from the National Catholic Reporter shows that some Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, are beginning to get on board; Clinton argues that "faith based" institutions aren't necessarily opposed to the Constitution (implying the separation of church and state).
  • Agnostics and Atheists might have to compromise here, accepting that as a small minority they must be willing to join the religious majority in considering religion an acceptable method of addressing needs, while perhaps not allowing it to be the ONLY method of addressing needs.
  • Anti-war Democrats might have to concede that *some* military action may be necessary to protect American security, especially with the destabilization we've already done in Iraq; but in exchange, gain influence for their position against multiple pre-emptive wars as a means for securing America.
  • Abortion rights activists might have to consider allowing Roe vs. Wade to be reversed or weakened; even a full reversal of the landmark decision would not immediately criminalize abortion, but would allow *some states* to do so on their own. Further, if the decision were overturned, Republicans might finally push a number of its pro-choice members past their limit and force them to rethink their party affiliation.
With compromise among its factions, a debate on values with the Republicans is possible. The Democrats cannot win if they insist upon defending Roe completely, being entirely anti-War, and alienating persons of faith at the same time.

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:12 PM
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1. The Democrats need to remember that the Spiritual Left aren't all Christia
Frankly, it is rare to find a conservative among the spiritual community I frequent, though I am sure they are there. I have yet to hear of anyone who is an out and out Bush supporter showing up at a sweatlodge ceremony and singing his praises as we sing the Buffalo Song. I have yet to hear anything positive about Bush and his actions from my Sufi brothers and sisters, though I have seen Kucinich for President and War is not the Answer bumper stickers on their cars. I just listened to a DVD about the Mayan calendar by a mystic who took time to say things about Bush that would be applauded by folks here at DU.

My point is that mystics I know are already on board, and willing to open the Democratic tent wide to admit our agnostic/atheist brothers and sisters, as well as Christians; but like them, we want to make sure that by reaching out to Christians, we don't compromise on certain ethical issues; we cannot go to war simply to gain oil; we must have an open government; and we must never never allow any religion to become part of the government, no matter how popular it is.
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SoulDrift Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:49 PM
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6. Personally I support the UU movement..
More than I do Christianity. However my point is that there's even common ground with Christians, if we approach it fairly.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:22 PM
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2. Abortion rights activists won't budge, buster
because returning it to the states will usher in a horror show of concentrated reproductive slavery efforts in the few states where it remains legal. Just think of what they'd do if they could write a third of the states off their list for antiwoman efforts and concentrate on the rest!

This is nuts. Antiaborion laws had to be overturned at the Federal level and should remain so.

Anything else is unconscionable. That is where the line is, fellas. Cross it and you'll lose half the party. Our rights are not negotiable.
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oldleftguy Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:29 PM
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3. Spiritualism is crap!
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SoulDrift Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:50 PM
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7. Nice open mind ;)
Feel free to be athiest, it doesn't bother me a bit. I'm more of a Celestine Prophesy type guy anyway.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:57 PM
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9. You mean like food is crap?
Crap is the digested life force of nutrition right?
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 10:29 PM
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12. You should be a diplomat... nt
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:39 PM
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4. Progressive Christian Bloggers Network - State of Belief on Air America
and many others - it is not like there is not a progressive religious left on the internet - including many many Christians. Only on DU does the progressive religious get drowned out by the atheist conversion core.


Progressive Christian Bloggers Network
PCBN Website
Icthus (PCBN moderator)
Anti-Manicheist
Any Day a Beautiful Change
Ariah Knows Your Info
And No One Heard a Word
Anarchist Priest
American Bodhisattva
Be Here Now
A Believer's Journal
Beppeblog
Bending the Rule
Beth Quick
Boy in the Bands
Behind the Surface
Blog for Liberal Seekers
Baptized Pagan
Blog of the Grateful Bear
Behind the Pulpit
Blue in a Red State
Caffeinated Duck
Clark Smith
Connexions
Cheryl's Journal
ChristianDemocrat.us Blog
Chuck Currie
Christian Dissent
Call and Response
Cracked Pots
Cross Left
Disambiguation
Doogie Howser Did It...
Disruptive Theology
Empirical Friend
Eric's Tasty Morsels of Thought
Except for These Chains
Emerging Pilgrim
Einstein's Corner
The Enemy Shall Not Outwit Him
Fear and Trembling
Far Country Tell
Faithforward
FaithCommons
FaithandPolicy Weblog
FaithinSociety
Father Jake Stops the World
Grover's Corners
Generating Output
Galleycat's Abbey
Gay Religion
HH Patriarch Mar Anthony Blog
Heart, Soul & Humor
Infinite Wisdom or Absolute Idiocy?
I Am a Christian Too
In the Outer
Invisible Footprints
The Ivy Bush
Jesus Politics
Just a Bump in the Beltway
Kenosis
Kinesis
Leaves of Grass
Left at the Altar
Lepper Colony
A Lie a Day
Like a Mighty Wind
Live and Let Live
Leaves from the Notebook of a Tamed Optimist
Liberal Jesus
Lives of the Saints
MyQuest
Mainstream American
Mom to the Left
Mainstream Baptist
Movable Theoblogical
Nick Lewis
Musings of a Young Pastor
Monastic Mumblings, a Friar's Journey
New Quaker Notebook
Nouslife
Noli Irritare Leones
New Christianity
Not Too Much
Nathan Ael
Ono's Thoughts
Open Up to the Sky
Off the Beaten Track
Oh, for the Love of God
The Prodigal Sheep
Pulling the Plank
Public Theologian
Progressive Christian
Purple Pew
Paradigm
Progressive Protestant
Pomomusings
Philocrites
Pacificus
Progressive Christian Movement
Perspectives
Polished Mirror
Post-Modern Christian
Peregrinato
Preacher in Process
Personal Spirit
Punk Monk San Francisco
A People So Bold
The Post Christian
Progressive Christians Unite!
Reflections from the Left
Reformissionary
Reader, I Married Him
Reports from the Field
Rev Butter's Graceful Life
Ropedancer
Random Ravings
The Red Star
the rh<+> factor
Salt
Streak's Blog
Sojourn Stories
Spiritual Diablog
Southern Liberal Methodist
The Soul of Rod Garvin
The Sympathetic Vibration
Stratego
Straight Not Narrow
Things I've Seen
Talking Donkeys
Three Sumach-Dogs I Run With
2 Wild Monkeys
Taking Off and Landing
Theoblogia
Theoblogia
travisstanley.net
Thought Express
Unity
UCC Klamath Falls
Urania
Virushead Random Musings
UntiedMethodist.com
Van's Word Spill
Wandering but Not Lost
Words of Grace
Xpatriated Texan
Zinnhead
Young and Relentless
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Alonzo Fyfe Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:47 PM
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5. Atheists and Agnostics
I do not know of any atheists or agnostics who say that religion is not "an acceptable method of addressing needs". No atheists that I know are calling for a ban on churches, religious charities, or religious schools. Indeed, the atheists that I know are fairly strong defenders of a student's right to express his or her religious views in school and would be very much opposed to state laws prohibiting prayer in public places -- again, as an expression of an individual's views.

Protests come from a government that -- as in the case of the motto -- assert, "This country is and by right ought to be divided into two groups; a 'we' who trust in God, and those who do not who shall be considered 'they' or 'them'."

Or a daily ritual of pledge that says, "Those who are not under God are to be regarded as those who would promote rebellion, or those who stand opposed to liberty and justice for all."

Even as a minority, atheists have no duty to accept national mottos and rituals that have at their heart a message that denigrates and insults those who do not believe in a God.

Alonzo Fyfe
Atheist Ethicist Blog
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:53 PM
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8. Welcome to DU. Interesting approach.
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SoulDrift Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 06:35 AM
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16. Why thankya
Some would view my approach as selling out.. I, of course, don't agree ;)
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 10:06 PM
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10. The dems do good stuff for regular folks
When the supporters get up to complex analysis,
Its time to step back and wonder about simplicity,
the spiritual left does not see any crisis,
man's doing an infintesimal drop in life's totality,
its easy to trust when good eyes speak wisely,
beating hearts i can trust; the real ones keeping us us free,
no mysterious game of nukclear deception adeptly,
plain talkin the dems gotsa be, "No stealing the taxes, see."

"No running up the credit card til our kids money's gone,"
"no thievin and wars in some one elses country,"
"no making yourselves abolve the law to elevate King George bush's throng."

and "No ripping off our social security."
asian desert of bush alexander two's flaccid fallacy,
the bleeding death of empire on to the every day iraqi.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 10:23 PM
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11. SoulDrift, I agree with most of your post, but not this...
"...the Republican party has done a much better job of convincing voters it can do so by aligning with conservative Christians."

I don't think they've convinced anybody of anything. Read the opinion and issue polls! We have a great progressive majority in this country, which has NOT been convinced on ANY issue, but HAS been convinced by hook, by crook, by war profiteering corporate news monopolies, and by rightwing Bushite corporations, Diebold and ES&S, with their "trade secret," proprietary vote 'tabulation,' that we are the MINORITY. It just ain't so. It's an illusion.

Aside from that, I agree that there something vacuous about--and very lacking in--our political life. I think that most of the Democratic Party leadership is corrupt, hypocritical and playacting at being progressives (and being "the opposition). And I was thinking the other day, okay, let's take this "Christian" thing on whole hog, and demand that our nation be Christian, that the rich give all they have to the poor, that we defund our military budget by 90% or more, that dangerous criminals be confined and given lots of psychological help and love and comfort, and that all others be mentored out of prison with generous help, etc. etc.

I could go for that.

Check out what's happening in Latin America--a huge and amazing leftist revolution, covering virtually the whole continent--Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Venezuela, and Bolivia, and soon Peru and Mexico--all Catholic countries. Something to think about.
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SoulDrift Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 10:42 PM
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13. I'm encouraged by Latin America
Comign to their senses. Catholics are reviled here (in part) because of their liberal tendencies. Ignoring the obvious child molestation issues, the vast majority of everyday Catholics are good people.

And you've got my main point, the "Christian" argument does need to be addressed. That whole "America is a Christian nation" argument is a complete load of crap, by the way. But if people are going to make that argument, they should be walking the talk and supporting the social justice their savior fought for. For Chrissake. ;)
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 07:25 AM
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17. Re: Your last paragraph. The world is a huge place that strains
all understanding. We are overly focused on the middle east and barely attentive to anywhere else except when our pride is pricked. The changes in South America are an excellent case in point; where our policy seems to be based on how to protect our corporate interests there and the huge 'ranches' owned by the Rockefeller's Armstrongs et. al.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 11:51 PM
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14. Our party has to learn to embrace religion
We have run religious people for office before and can do so again. But we have to educate our base as to what a real Christian is.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 10:58 PM
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19. When did just embracing ethics become such a problem?
That covers it all. Whether religious or non-religious, can't we just agree on what is ethical and what isn't?
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SoulDrift Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 06:34 AM
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15. Additional paragraph
I've added this to the version posted on my blog, as I recognize I omitted a significant point:

"In a broader sense, these social justice themes often resonate with moderates and progressives of other traditions of faith--Unitarian-Universalists, Jews, Buddhists, even Pagans--as well as many agnostics and atheists. Social justice is something that can bring people together from various religious and non-religious backgrounds, as opposed to driving them apart. Stressing these commonalities may not yield a "machine" as well-oiled as the Republican union with the Christian Right, but it could energize a different segment of the electorate and foster more of a sense of community."
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 09:01 AM
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18. Also see Sojourners
Sojourners is a progressive Christian commentary on faith, politics and culture.
It seeks to build a movement of spirituality and social change.

http://www.sojo.net/

Jim Wallis and the other Sojourners writers have consistently held up the progressive spiritual values that many here on DU try to live by and promote in political action.




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