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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 07:04 AM
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Rushing Off a Cliff
These are some of the bill’s biggest flaws:

Enemy Combatants: A dangerously broad definition of “illegal enemy combatant” in the bill could subject legal residents of the United States, as well as foreign citizens living in their own countries, to summary arrest and indefinite detention with no hope of appeal. The president could give the power to apply this label to anyone he wanted.

The Geneva Conventions: The bill would repudiate a half-century of international precedent by allowing Mr. Bush to decide on his own what abusive interrogation methods he considered permissible. And his decision could stay secret — there’s no requirement that this list be published.

Habeas Corpus: Detainees in U.S. military prisons would lose the basic right to challenge their imprisonment. These cases do not clog the courts, nor coddle terrorists. They simply give wrongly imprisoned people a chance to prove their innocence.

Judicial Review: The courts would have no power to review any aspect of this new system, except verdicts by military tribunals. The bill would limit appeals and bar legal actions based on the Geneva Conventions, directly or indirectly. All Mr. Bush would have to do to lock anyone up forever is to declare him an illegal combatant and not have a trial.

Coerced Evidence: Coerced evidence would be permissible if a judge considered it reliable — already a contradiction in terms — and relevant. Coercion is defined in a way that exempts anything done before the passage of the 2005 Detainee Treatment Act, and anything else Mr. Bush chooses.

Secret Evidence: American standards of justice prohibit evidence and testimony that is kept secret from the defendant, whether the accused is a corporate executive or a mass murderer. But the bill as redrafted by Mr. Cheney seems to weaken protections against such evidence.

Offenses: The definition of torture is unacceptably narrow, a virtual reprise of the deeply cynical memos the administration produced after 9/11. Rape and sexual assault are defined in a retrograde way that covers only forced or coerced activity, and not other forms of nonconsensual sex. The bill would effectively eliminate the idea of rape as torture.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/28/opinion/28thu1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 07:36 AM
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1. Face it. Soldiers died for Rights that the Congress throws away.
Liberty lost a huge battle at home yesterday. For those who appreciate the magnitude of what has been lost it is a very bleak morning.

Suppose Liberty did any better yesterday in Iraq?

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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 07:49 AM
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2. We know
what kind of creature frames these laws. Now we know what kind of creature votes for them. And what kind of creature is so impressed by them that they are prepared to vote in November to endorse them?

This isn't just a problem of a corrupt executive and legislature - this problem involves the voters in the focus groups and polls who demand this kind of protection for their security.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 08:03 AM
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4. Wake up Briar.
Put it all together, that same "kind of person" counts your votes my friend, unless we all get out there and demand to count the votes ourselves.

If your rights don't matter to the people who abuse their power, then your votes certainly won't.

Get out on the streets and begin talking with neighbors and friends and family.

The power is truly in the people now. Washington and a broken government is quite clearly the problem and what is hurting us most.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 07:57 AM
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3. Rushing Off A Cliff
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