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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:22 AM
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Kristof rides again!
Today's NY Times web site has Nicholas Kristof's latest attempt at imparting knowledge we can all use. Perhaps, all will remember Kristof's column from a couple of weeks ago in which he took Democrats to task for (gasp! I shudder to even type these words) having the audacity to fight back against Republicans. Today, he is scolding Dems for the possibility that Howard Dean might win the nomination. He throws in the obligatory comparison to McGovern, even adding a personal touch to it.

He continues to express his horror at Dems disgust and loathing of Bush:

"Yet my guess is that the Democratic faithful are being not so much high-minded as muddle-headed. Many Democrats so despise President Bush that they don't appreciate what a strong candidate he will be in November, and they don't grasp how poorly Mr. Dean is likely to fare in battleground states."

Against the Bush juggernaut, Mr. Dean faces three disadvantages.

Kristof proceeds to give us an analyst right from Rove's own hand:

"First, geography. The only Democrats who have won the popular presidential vote since John Kennedy took office (when the Southern boom started) have all been Southerners: Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Al Gore. Swing states are mostly in the South and Midwest, so the key for both parties is to find a candidate who can seduce "Reagan Democrats," like Ohio steelworkers and Tennessee tobacco farmers. Not another Michael Dukakis."

I suppose from the preceeding paragraph Kristof is telling Dems not to bother with a candidate from a state other than below the MasonDixon Line. Forget the primary process, arrange Southern Democrats in a circle and spin the bottle. Recent events would tell us that might be a problem finding enough Dems to form a circle, but what the hell, truth souldn't get in the way of Georgetown cocktail circuit knowledge. The Democratic Convention should just draft Zell Miller. "It doesn't matter if you are born rich, poor or in between, if you're born out of the South, forgetaboutit!"

I'm going to forgo specific comments on the rest of the article. I think one of the biggest problems facing this country is the quality of the beltway press corps. Nicholas Kristof is a blithering idiot, but he is no different than Al Hunt, Margaret Carlson or Mark Shields. He is not the exception, he is the rule.

link to Times article:

http://nytimes.com/2003/12/06/opinion/06KRIS.html



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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:26 AM
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1. Kristoff is stupid
I think that a Democrat can win, because the person who stole the office is incompetant, arrogant, and corrupt. No anger here. Just disgust. I think the Democrat doesn't have to be from the South. I do think it is imperative that everyone make sure that all those who dislike Bush and his policies register and vote. Those so called pundits will find that the people have stopped listening to them when a Democrat takes office in 2004.
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:29 AM
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2. Apparently the media is now telling us whom to nominate
Let's all give Kristof a pat on the back ... with a 4-by-4.

Just kidding, Nicko! :evilgrin:
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Soopercali Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:39 AM
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3. Shorter Nick Kristof...
Shorter Nick Kristof:
Howard Dean is one of the flashbacks they promised me - and man, it's really bumming me out.

http://suburbanguerrilla.blogspot.com/2003_11_30_suburbanguerrilla_archive.html#107072199340494893

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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:48 AM
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4. With this Kristof officially joins the Whore Hall of Shame
Edited on Sat Dec-06-03 11:35 AM by Snellius
Oh, my gosh, the Democrats are forcing Kristof to vote for Bush. It's not his fault. He's really a liberal at heart. But those hateful, Clinton-loving liberals have just stepped over the line.

Kristof is one of those "fair and balanced" yuppie fake liberals. With hypocritical friends like Kristof and Friedman and Keller who needs enemies.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:53 AM
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5. signs of desperation
if Dean were so "unelectable" then why are the repugs letting us in on this bit of "news"

seems to me that repugs would want Baghdad-Bush to run against someone "unelectable" as opposed to someone who would present a much greater challenge

ennnnywhoooo-the more they scream that Dean is unelectable the more I think that he is very much electable
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 11:06 AM
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6. Won't Be Reading Nick
no more
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 11:25 AM
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7. But, But, But...this is the "Librul" New York Times????
(satire)
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 04:14 PM
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8. lol - these elites are quite good at blamming others and being WRONG
Edited on Sat Dec-06-03 04:18 PM by bpilgrim
'Furious liberals already bear some responsibility for the situation'

yeah, and the non-reaction by the corrupt ELITES of the media had NOTHING to do with the THEFT nor the status quo which not only led to 'Furious liberals' but to the massive voter noshows.

dean recognizes the opprotunity history has presented him with and he is capitalizing on it like a wise leader should. he is AHEAD of the curve and instead of RECOGNIZING and appreciating his foresightedness they simply ATTACK - they hate being wrong - and spread FUD.

yeah, i'm real impressed.

thank gore HE 'invented' the internet :bounce:

enjoy your DU reviews and give our regards to 'kenny boy' :evilgrin:



Wave your Flags




peace
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 09:24 PM
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9. Is Kristof comparing Dean to McGovern and Dole?
Kristof implies that two other hated presidents, Nixon and Clinton, were re-elected because the opposition was so filled with revenge they nominated meanies like Dean. What is he talking about? If they had nominated someone more like Dean, rather than relatively "wimpish" candidates like McGovern or Dole (or Stevenson, to go back further), they might have won.
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