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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 06:59 PM
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Why Cuba is a democracy and the US is not
Why Cuba is a democracy and the US is not
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_tim_ande_070315_why_cuba_is_a_democr.htm
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In an age of propaganda and pseudo-democracy, the strongest opponents of imperial power are subject to the most ferocious attacks. One result of this is that many of the firmly held opinions about democracy in Cuba and in the United States of America bear an inverse relationship to relevant knowledge. As the Canadian scientist William Osler said, “the greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism”.

The US has run a powerful and illegal economic blockade against Cuba for almost 50 years, after its investment privileges were withdrawn. It now runs propaganda suggesting that the Cuban people need US-styled ‘democracy’. Well let’s look at democracy in both countries, including civil rights and participatory democracy, as well as representative democracy.

In representative democracy, Cuba is clearly ahead. Cubans have open elections for their National Assembly (as well as their provincial and local assemblies), this assembly then elects the ministers, including a President of the Council of Ministers. In the US, there is a directly elected Congress and a President indirectly elected through electoral colleges. This President of state then appoints ministers. Yet a majority of the elected US Congress cannot block many Presidential ‘prerogatives’, including the waging of war. So even when the majority of the population and the majority of the Congress oppose a war, the President can still wage it. In the US, then, the elected assembly does not really rule.

In Cuba, the Constitution (Art 12) repudiates wars of aggression and conquest, and all ministers are accountable to the elected National Assembly. The President of Cuba’s Council of Ministers (falsely called a ‘dictator’ by the imperial US President) is not above the National Assembly and has no power to ‘veto’ a law passed by his country’s National Assembly. In the US, the President can and does veto Congressional laws.

In the US, eligibility for election to office depends on subscription to one of two giant parties and substantial corporate sponsorship. In Cuba, there are no electoral parties and there is no corporate sponsorship. The Cuban Communist Party is constitutionally recognised to promote socialist debate and policy, but has no electoral role. Citizens need not be CCP members to be elected, and many are not. National Assembly members (whether they belong to the CCP or not) do not represent any party, but rather their constituencies. The Cuban system bans foreign powers from funding electoral representatives or parties. The US Government, accustomed to foreign intervention, claims this law is ‘undemocratic’.

In the US, millions of people are excluded from voting, either because they have some criminal conviction or they belong to one or other group of second class citizens (e.g. Puerto Ricans, who pay tax but have no representative in Congress). In Cuba, very few are excluded from voting, and well over 90% of the adult population (those over sixteen years of age) actually do vote at each election. In the US, voter participation is often around 50%.

While there are constitutional civil rights in both countries, these rights are stronger under the Cuban system. Cuban citizens have the constitutional right to employment, food, free education, free health care, housing (including family inheritance), political participation, freedom of expression, personal property and freedom of religion. The Cuban state is constitutionally bound to guarantee these rights.

US citizens have the right to freedom of speech, unlimited private property and the right to carry arms. They also have the right to participate in a ‘market’ where their education, health and general well-being is often a gamble.

By the constitution, no-one in Cuba can be imprisoned without proper charges, a trial, and the right to a defence (Art 59). Cuba’s ‘political prisoners’ are those who have been convicted of taking money to help overthrow the constitutional system. By contrast, in the US, thousands of people are held without charge or trial, including several hundred in the illegally occupied section of Cuba, at Guantanamo Bay. The rate of imprisonment in the US, which has more than two million prisoners, is far higher than in Cuba (or indeed any other country). African-Americans are massively over-represented in US jails. Prisoners in the US lose many of their civil rights; prisoners in Cuba keep most of their civil rights.

Institutionalised racial discrimination persisted in the US well into the 1960s. Even today, the gap between formal and effective rights is very great in the US, because there are so few social guarantees. Cuba, on the other hand, has made great efforts to overcome the denial of effective rights on racial grounds. The Cuban guarantees of universal and free education, health care and social security have proven powerful and effective tools against social marginalisation. Educational and health standards in Cuba are similar to, and in some respects better than, those of the US. This is despite the US having an average per capita income almost ten times higher than Cuba. The US has permanent wealth and poverty. Cuba shares its ups and downs.

In the US ‘freedom of speech’ means that a handful of private corporations dominate the mass media. In Cuba, the media (television, radio, magazines, newspapers) are all run by public bodies or community organisations. No private individual or investment group can capture or dominate public debate in Cuba. Nor is there mind numbing, commercial advertising. In the US mass communications are dominated by consumerism and celebrity trivia; politics is about individuals seeking public office. In Cuba, mass communications are dominated by education and cultural programs; politics is about coordinated social responses to social problems.

Cuba does not use state power to intervene in the affairs of others or to push international propaganda, but rather sends doctors to more than sixty countries to assist communities which have no medical services. This internationalism, recognised by the World Health Organization, contrasts with US interventionism. The US government maintains state-propaganda stations (e.g. Voice of America, Radio Marti), funds opposition political groups (through the National Endowment for Democracy, the State Department, USAID and the CIA) as well as funding pro-US academic centres and think tanks around the world.

Cuba’s human rights record is far better than that of the US. Amnesty International said the US in 2006 had “thousands of detainees … without charge or trial … deaths in custody, torture and ill-treatment … disappearances... failure to hold officials at the highest levels accountable … war crimes or crimes against humanity.” Within the US “sixty-one people died after being struck by police tasers … sixty people were executed.” The Amnesty report did not address the thousands killed and maimed in the illegal occupation of Iraq.

By contrast, Amnesty’s criticism of Cuba in 2006 was mild. There were some “restrictions on freedom of expression, association and movement … nearly seventy prisoners of conscience … the government attempted to suppress private entrepreneurship. More than 30 prisoners remained on death row no one was executed.” Amnesty (whose US branch is responsible for reports on Cuba) did not note that the “seventy prisoners of conscience” had been charged and convicted of the specific offences of taking money from a foreign power to seek the overthrow of the Cuban constitutional system. Most were arrested in 2003, during a wave of hijackings, and many have since been released.

The US State Department – a fierce ideological opponent of Cuba - was forced to acknowledge in 2004 that Cuba had “no political killings ...or politically motivated disappearances", no religious repression, little discrimination, compulsory and free schooling, a universal health system, substantial artistic freedom, and no reports of torture. This contrasts strongly with the death squads and torture of dictatorial regimes trained and supported by the US throughout Latin America, for example in Chile, Guatemala, El Salvador and Colombia.

Cuban moves against homophobia and in support of gay rights have been more effective than those in the US. There is greater tolerance of sexual diversity in Cuba than in most Latin American countries and Churches which sustain such discrimination have less political influence in Cuba than in the US. Cuba’s Centre for National Sex Education (CENESEX) since 1989 has pushed sexual tolerance, including acceptance of and support for trans-sexuals. Effective education campaigns and testing has meant that Cuba has the lowest HIV infection rate in the Caribbean region, lower than the US. Since 2001 every HIV+ Cuban has had free access to highly active anti retroviral treatment (HAART). The US has developed strong HIV/AIDS programs, as a result of pressure group lobbying, but access to health services is not guaranteed.

US backed, Cuban exile ‘pro-democracy’ activists are mostly terrorists, so far as Cubans are concerned. For example in March 2007 the Madrid Municipal Government awarded Cuban exile Carlos Alberto Montaner the ‘Tolerance Prize’ for his writings on Cuba. Yet Montaner is a European-resident fugitive from Cuban justice who has been on the CIA payroll for many years. He is wanted in Cuba for bombings carried out in Cuba, many years ago, and has close links to the Miami-based Cuban American National Foundation (CANF), which openly backs terrorist attacks on Cuba.

The Cuban Government has not moved against the celebrated ‘pro democracy’ activist Osvaldo Payá, who was awarded the Andrei Sakharov Prize in 2002 for Freedom of Thought’ following his creation of the ‘Varela Project’, essentially a petition for small business rights. However Cuban television in December 2005 pointed out that Payá was receiving $1,000 a session for his classes on managing a US-backed ‘transition’ in Cuba, held at the US Office of Interests in Havana. This is a clear breach of Cuban law, but Payá has not been arrested.

In 2005 Australian journalist Paul McGeough feted another CANF and Miami-backed ‘pro-democracy’ activist, Raul Rivero. McGeough asserted that Rivero’s arrest in 2003 “revived memories of the worst Soviet human rights abuses” and claimed that “Rivero's crime was twofold - possession of a typewriter, and a will to dream”. McGeough did not point out that Rivero was convicted of receiving money from the US Office of Interests and the CANF, as part of quite explicit plans to overthrow the constitution and install a foreign-backed regime. Such activity is a crime in every country.

The most notorious US-backed ‘pro democracy activist’ is Luis Posada Carriles, currently held in the US on immigration offences. The US refuses to extradite Posada to Venezuela, where he is wanted for the 1976 bombing of a Cuba passenger plane, which killed 73 civilians. Posada publicly confessed (in the US) to the bombings of Cuban tourist hotels in 1997, but was never charged. He was arrested and convicted over an assassination attempt on Fidel Castro in Panama in 2000, but was pardoned and released in 2004 by outgoing Panamanian President Mireya Moscoso, a US ally. The US government, in the middle of its self-proclaimed ‘war on terrorism’, refuses to consider Posada a terrorist. Such is the US support for democracy in Cuba.

The US government funds a number of ‘civil society’, ‘pro-democracy’ and human rights groups, to support the US image of the world. For example, the France-based group Reporters without Borders, backed by the US National Endowment for Democracy, portrays Cuba as the single worst violator of ‘press freedom’ in the Americas. However the International News Safety Institute notes out that while no journalists were killed carrying out their work in Cuba over 1996-2006, 21 were killed in the USA, most of them murdered. (Let’s put to one side the 72 others killed in Colombia, 31 in Mexico, 27 in Brazil, 16 in Peru, 13 in Guatemala, etc)

On participatory democracy, the US has very poor credentials. Economic policy is regarded either as ‘technical’, to be managed by experts, or a province of the private corporations that dominate US social and political life. Consequently there are few debates or participatory initiatives on issues of major public concern, such as health care, access to education and military spending.

In Cuba, by contrast, there are substantial debates on public policy issues, through the elected assemblies and social organisations. For example, in Cuba’s economic crisis of the 1990s, eighteen months were spent debating the introduction of major economic changes such as introducing regulated foreign investment, the development of mass tourism, adjustments to services and taxes, preservation of free health care and education.

In the US, ‘structural adjustment’ was a formula developed by the private banks, adopted at home and enforced in debtor countries. This ‘technical’ formula, comprising privatisation, high interest rates, cuts to social services, user pays regimes, privileges for private investors and exporters, is presented as a ‘fait accompli’. There is no public inclusion in a policy debate, so communities are forced to react defensively to this ‘technical’ economic policy.

There is one final, important reason why the US cannot be a democracy. An imperial ambition drives it to dominate, invade and exploit the resources of other countries. US ‘defence forces’ are almost exclusively deployed abroad and current US ‘national security’ policy contemplates pre-emptive military strikes on more than sixty countries. Like other imperial ventures, US ambitions are pursued on behalf of a small clique of private investors, at the expense of millions of poor and marginalised people within the US. Yet as the US writer Gore Vidal has pointed out, no imperial project can be mounted in a genuine democracy, or a genuine republic.

Cuba, on the other hand, has never invaded another country. It has only used its defence forces to defend its own people or to support others under attack, such as defending the Angolan and Namibian people from the apartheid South African army, in the 1980s.

Cuba has used its world class health sector to assist other countries. While the US sends thousands of troops to other countries, Cuba sends thousands of doctors. Further, more than twenty thousand foreign students are studying medicine in Cuba, on fully-funded Cuban scholarships. This includes nearly one hundred US students. This is one more reason why, if the word is to have any meaning, Cuba is a democracy and the US is not.

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TheConstantGardener Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 07:00 PM
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1. At some parts of the democratic ideal they succeed better
and vice versa. Both the utopian vision of Cuba and the demonizing one the cuban expatriates have brainwashed America with are false.


One thing is for sure: we need to normalize relations!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 07:33 PM
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2. I think so too.
Mika - Have you ever been to Cuba?

A friend of mine went a few years ago and really loved it. I'd love go there.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 08:30 PM
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9. Yes I have.
Many times.

I love Cuba and have many friends there.




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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:30 PM
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28. and that's probably the main reason why the US gov.
does not want to lift the embargo/boycott. Because once the average US citizen is able to visit Cuba, he/she would immediately see thru all the distortions and progaganda which is broadcast daily in the US. And it would probably create a serious crisis in US gov. and corporate circles, once the lies have been exposed. Not unlike releasing all the secret JFK files which will be hidden from US public for another 20 years.

I supported Cuba before visiting the island, and I support it even more after that.

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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 07:47 PM
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4. I'd be interested on seeing a Cuban citizen's take on this question.
Do we have any who post to DU?
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 08:12 PM
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7. internet usage is rationed by Cuba
because of the US boycott/embargo. There is an undersea fiberoptic cable within reach of Cuba, it can not be used because of the US sanctions, so Cuba is forced to rely on satellites for distribution of internet bandwidth on the island. This is an expensive and cumbersome way to have the internet available to millions of Cubans, but it is the only current choice they have. See this link:

<http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/10620/1/360/>

"...the 1996 Helms-Burton law bars Cuban use of a high-capacity, fiber-optic underwater cable running close to the island. Cuba is confined to low-capacity satellite linkages that limit Internet exchanges to a mere 124 megabytes per second for incoming communications and 65 megabytes per second for outgoing messages."
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 08:04 AM
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17. I've corresponded with Cubans via email lists.
They can get on the internet, but I believe you are correct that they have severe bandwidth problems.

The comparison of human rights records is jarring, although I suspect many here will dismiss it.

Yes Cuba remains a one party system and its democracy is constrained within the limits of their marxist framing, however our two party duopoly, even when it is engaged in an internecine struggle as it is today is also constrained within narrow ideological blinders.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:22 PM
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27. current Cuban policy wrt internet access
is limited to business locations. Access by private homes in Cuba is being curtailed by Cuban gov. as we write. I think this is why the Cuba-bashers here are having such a hissy-fit over "Cuban censorship" of internet for the moment.

Part of it is bandwidth allocation, because as stated before, the gov. has to use satellites instead of fiberoptic cables for the daily internet data flow coming in/out of Cuba, which is not the ideal situation. It's like trying to irrigate a large farm on 1 inch pipes when you need 4 in. or 6 in. lines. The 'crops' (i.e., data) will dry up if you don't allocate the flow in an efficient manner. So I think some people are saying its censorship and that's not an accurate accessment of the problem.

Another misconception is that Cuba and its internet policies have to be a mirror of US capitalist society or it isn't a democracy. They are a socialist republic only a very small part it is based on US constitutional law. It uses Marxist-Leninist conceptions to guage its social progress for the population. I don't have any problem with that.

Internally, Cuba has its own 'intranets' which are probably very efficient at delivering and distributing data flow on the island.
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:44 AM
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21. It's rationed, so that it can be censored. Here's a reference.
All the Caribbean islands have internet. Connectivity isn't that much of a problem. If the Cuban government allowed free commerce in internet connectivity, satellite receivers, and other forms of communications, bandwidth into Cuba would grow exponentially. The problem is not the US embargo. The problem is that nothing scares the Cuban government so much as open communication between its subjects and the outside world.

http://worldpoliticswatch.com/article.aspx?id=321

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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:08 PM
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26. all the other Carib. island are not embargo'ed
except Cuba. To downplay the embargo/bocott against Cuba seems rather one-sided against them, IMHO.

If the US wanted Cuba to connect to the internet via undersea fiberoptic cable that is nearby, all it has to do is wave its magic wand and end Helm-Burton. Instead it prefers to pipe in progaganda via Radio and TV Marti which is hostile to the Cuban Revolution.

Cuba isn't afraid of the US, a superpower with nuclear weapons, so why would it be scared of info/data flow? Cuba has its own priorities concerning the allocation of bandwidth on the island, and it is not for me or you to dictate to the Cuban government on how or why it chooses to implement its priorities wrt internet access.

I think there is always a possibility of electronic warfare, DOS attacks, psy-ops, ect. directed by US against Cuba, as long as the hostility exists, the US gov. could try to use the internet as another medium for attacks against Cuba. Under such conditions, I think the Republic of Cuba is doing the most responsible thing regarding its current policies on internet usage and its restrictions on the island.



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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:09 PM
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29. The state always has good reason to control speech. Always.
To prevent sedition, to protect the children, to avoid the expansion of cheap consumerism, to guard against fraud, to guard public morals, to stamp out falsehood, to save people from their own prurient interests. All these are common excuses. Oh, and to defend the revolution.

I don't downplay the embargo. But neither do I pretend that it is either the reason for or justification of squelching free speech. Something that Castro began before the embargo was put in place.

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:58 PM
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31. The Caribbean fiber optic trunk is owned by Cisco. Cisco would violate the US trade sanctions..
.. if Cuba was allowed to hook-up directly to it.

To say that the US sanctions have nothing to do with it is blatantly ignorant of the fact of the extra territorial nature of the sanctions on Cuba.

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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:44 PM
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32. And are European companies stopped from selling satellite bandwidth?
For that matter, are there not cables across the Yucatan channel? None of this is hard, and none of it requires going through the US or US companies. The effort Cuba puts into censoring what sites its citizens visit, and into cracking down on forbidden satellite dishes, it could instead put into expanding bandwidth. But it won't, because its government views censorship as more important than bandwidth.

And there is no excuse for that. And pretending that it is only because of the embargo is absurd.

If Castro really wanted to bring internet to the island, he would merely allow free commerce in internet connectivity. Thousands of entrepreneurs -- in Cuba and Mexico and some even in Europe -- would take it from there. A year from now, we could have hundreds of Cubans posting their views here, on Democratic Underground.

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 05:13 AM
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33. The high cost of such connections is prohibitive.
Cubans can buy home internet accounts in Cuba - IF they can afford it.

No one has said that it is strictly because of the US sanctions, it is also a cost factor, but sanctions are the major factor.

If the US would end the sanctions on Cuba then, I'm sure, we'd see more Cubans posting on such forums.


BTW, doesn't this fallacy get a little tedious?...

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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 08:10 AM
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34. You do everything except explain the outright censorship.
If you had read the reference I posted above, you would have found out that the Cuban government censors the internet it does allow. That takes time and effort. There is no way to explain that as a reaction to cost factors, because it is something that actually increases the cost. The same effort and money put into putting up barriers could be spent on expanding bandwidth. The Cuban government also puts time and effort into finding forbidden satellite dishes. Again, there is no explanation for that as an economic matter.

The Cuban government could save money by simply stopping its censorship efforts. If it wanted to expand bandwidth into the island, it could put that saved money into that purpose instead. Its actions prove that censorship is more important to it than bandwidth. There is no excuse for that. None. And no excuse for those who would pretend that censorship is freedom.

Yes, oppressive governments always have a positive explanation for every crackdown on freedom. "It's some other government's fault." "It's a matter of costs." The facts show these to be transparent lies. Yes, I imagine those who continually deny facts find their repetition tedious. Dubya likely finds it tedious that people here keep stating a large variety of facts about Iraq that he would just as soon forget. But there's no fallacy in the facts I repeat above. The fallacy is the pretense that censorship is freedom, that censorship is motivated by cost, and that such false explanations are anything more than the typical lies used to justify oppressive government. You keep defending government censorship. I'll keep standing up for freedom. Here. Abroad. Everywhere. To me, that's part of being liberal.

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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 08:45 AM
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35. Cuba censors prostitution and drug-smuggling
it's not socially acceptable in Cuba. Cuba is not the US.

I believe a lot of your concerns about the 'dictatorship' of Cuba might be alleviated if the US gov. were to end its official hostilities against the island.

However I also believe you want Cuba to be a mirror-image of US society, which isn't ever going to happen.

If the Cuban government doesn't want satellite receivers in individual homes, I don't see how that can be considered censorship. A lot of the bandwidth there is a waste of time and money. Likewise I wish most of the crap on cable TV would be eliminated myself, I wouldn't miss any of it. There is nothing of interest for me. AM radio is flooded with conservative right-wing talk shows, I would love to see this stuff trashed and pulled off the air myself. Corporate money is sponsoring this stuff, it doesn't represent what the average US listener wants to hear, IMHO.
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 09:20 AM
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36. In the English language, "censor" does not apply to prostitution or drug smuggling.
A government may ban those, but not being speech, they cannot be censored. Trying to shift the question to such issues, and away from speech, whose freedom is central to democracy, is an interesting rhetorical ploy.

"If the Cuban government doesn't want satellite receivers in individual homes, I don't see how that can be considered censorship."

What else would you call it? See, heroin isn't speech. But a news show or entertainment show is. A government doesn't censor when it bans heroin. It might censor as part of its campaign against drugs, but a ban on heroin is not in itself censorship. Forbidding people from owning satellite receivers to keep them from watching foreign media is censorship. That's exactly what the word means.

"Likewise I wish most of the crap on cable TV would be eliminated myself."

I'm not surprised. Free speech is messy. Those of us who defend free speech don't do so because we approve all or even most of what is protected by it. That is something that the opponents of free speech never seem to understand. The ACLU is continually flogged for the free speech cases it takes, and its conservative opponents are always asking what the value is in the speech defended. Quite missing the point.

"However I also believe you want Cuba to be a mirror-image of US society."

Not necessarily. But I do oppose censorship, and no government remotely qualifies as a democracy unless it first respects freedom of speech. Yes, that means I view some governments as so oppressive of their citizens' freedom that people elsewhere in the world should simply and continually oppose them on human rights grounds. Saudi Arabia. Cuba. North Korea. I'm a liberal, and I believe in free speech. You aren't, and you don't. I doubt we ever will see eye-to-eye on that issue.

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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 03:08 PM
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38. I view Cuba's restrictions as a form of puritanism
Edited on Sun Mar-18-07 03:12 PM by ngant17
"A government may ban those, but not being speech, they cannot be censored."

Talking about drugs and prostitution even in the US can get you arrested. For example, if an undercover policeman offers to sell you drugs, and you say "yes", you can be arrested. I read of a number of stories like this in the USA. Same way for solicitation of prostitution. In the US, you can be arrested for agreeing to engage in an illegal activity. So you don't have absolute freedom of speech in the USA, nor in Cuba.

Whether the reference is to the physical acts or words which make reference to those acts (prostitution, narcotics, ect.), it's illegal and being prohibited in Cuba, too.

No one in Cuba wants to encourage lifestyles of prostitution or drug addiction. Yes, "heroin isn't speech" but I doubt it if the Smashing Pumpkins (whose the lead singer is/was known as a heroin user)would be as welcome to play in Cuba as, say AudioSlave(LA heavy metal rock group). Indeed, AudioSlave was the first rock band to perform in Cuba since Billy Joel and Bonnie Raitt visited in 1979, it played recently in Havana (2005). They didn't censor anything (it probably didn't hurt that Morello is an outspoken socialist). The concert was a hugh success, although I think it was free to Cubans. <http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/soundgarden/articles/story/7295592/airborne_with_audioslave>

There may be references to these things (prostitution, drugs, ect.) in scientific papers or from sociological studies, or perhaps in some purely literary context, but I don't think it is generally tolerated in one form or another in Cuba.

I view Cuba's restrictions as a form of puritanism with Marxist-Leninist ideology. Not necessarily a godless puritanism, because religion is tolerated in Cuba. I think Cuba recognizes that there are ethics and morals embedded in religious systems and that is a positive thing to cultivate in their society.

I think some of the intolerance evolved from the historical context. Cuba was being overrun by the US-based mafiosa pre-1959, who envisioned a Caribbean version of Las Vegas.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 07:51 PM
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5. Great article.
Thank you for posting this.

There is much we could learn from that island nation and its people, if only we could lose our arrogance.

K&R.

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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 07:56 PM
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6. Yeah, like how to keep 50's era autos running for 60 years
That'd be great!
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 08:15 PM
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8. a lot of those old American cars are getting diesel motors in Cuba
for replacement engines these days. So they would hardly be considered concourse classic originals by US standards.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 08:42 PM
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10. not really good for the old carbon footprint, either
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:22 AM
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12. Only a small minority of cars in Cuba are old American cars.
Cuba's roads are filling up with small Russian, Italian, French, Japanese, and Chinese cars.

The constant imaging of Cuba's old US models, predominant in the US corporate media, is part of a propaganda campaign intended to present an isolated Cuba. This is just not true. Contrary to many American's belief, the US is not the center of the universe. Just because Americans can't go legally to Cuba doesn't mean that the rest of the world isn't there. Regarding Cuba, Americans are isolated - by their own government's dictate.



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EminenceFront5 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 06:39 AM
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15. True
What a joke. Several years ago I was in the Caribean and bought some Cuban Cigars as I heard they were the best. Customs confiscated them of course so now I'll never know. I think we could have more influence with Cuba if we lifted the embargo and allowed free trade and travel between our two countries. The Cold War is over.
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carla Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 10:40 AM
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19. My uncle has a brand new Peugeot
that he won in a sculpture competition. His last Peugeot, "La pantera" because his garage was a chainlink cage construction, was from the 60's. One thing about Cubans, they are some of the most inventive and resourceful people in the world. The blockade has forced this on them and I would bet it has produced the opposite effect for which the exiles have hoped. I won't argue Cuban democracy with most Americans, because they think in only one dimension and are so arrogant about their prized oligarchy that they refuse to consider any other possibility as having merit. My travels in Cuba have been enlightening and have convinced me that the system there does meet my standards for democracy. I'd love to live there and am trying to figure out how I can swing it, :) Viva Cuba!
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 08:52 PM
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11. because they've had the same 'President' for four decades?
What a paradise!
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 03:27 PM
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39. A sure sign of a Democracy!!!!
Gay bashing would be another sure sign, but I'll leave that one alone.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 06:10 AM
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13. thank you Mika
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EminenceFront5 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 06:32 AM
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14. The truth falls somewhere in the middle
If Cuba is so great why have I consistently over the years seen countless Cubans risking their necks in flimsy watercraft to get here? When I have seen these refugees interviewed almost to a person they say they came here for freedom and opportunity. If they already have so much of this in Cuba then why are they leaving? Should we ignore this? Are my eyes and ears lying to me?
Neither we nor the Cubans have a democracy. We have a constitutional republic (albeit one manipulated by the rich and powerful), and the cubans are Communists (well at least they are in name). Can an educated person really believe with Fidel(and yes he has done some good for Cuba, some things, not so good),in power for 40 years that Cuba is a democracy? Please smell what you are shoveling.
That said I think we missed the boat(no pun intended), on Cuba. From the start we should have tried to maintain good relations with the Cubans and fostered as much investment and dialogue with them as possible. The embargo should be lifted and it is time to normalize relations again.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 08:18 AM
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18. republic does not exclude democracy
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 08:20 AM by rman
saying "we don't have a democracy, we have a republic" is like saying "that's not a ball, it's red".
Just like red balls do exist, democratic republics do exist.

In fact democracy is a core concept in a republic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic
A Republic is a form of government maintained by a state or country whose sovereignty is based on popular consent and whose governance is based on popular representation and control. Several definitions stress the importance of the rule of law as part of the requirements for a republic.
...

--

Which does not mean that the US really is a democracy - but that's not because it is a republic.

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 08:01 AM
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16. Raises the question of where Amurika will be 48 years after W's ascension?
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 11:37 AM
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20. "US citizens have the right to freedom of speech." Game, set, match.
That is the one critical sentence in the entire article. No nation, such as Cuba, that outlaws satellite dishes and tries to censor the internet, counts as a democracy. Period. The first requirement of modern democracy is free speech. Without it, nothing else matters, not electoral mechanisms, not who has the franchise, nothing. Or to put it another way, a tyranny that controls speech controls everything else.

And yes, free speech brings "mind numbing, commercial advertising," "consumerism, and celebrity trivia." Freedom doesn't mean the wholesome programming chosen by approved "public bodies or community organisations." Freedom means people using the media for every purpose in the world, from looking to hook up with fellow furbies to using spare cycles on distributed PCs to solve protein folding problems, and everything in between. It means Paris Hilton, Fox News, and the freepers, as well as The Nation, Utne Reader, and Democratic Underground. Free doesn't mean it will all be good. Per Theodore Sturgeon, it means 95% of it will be crap.

But please. Trying to pretend that a nation has free speech when its media is controlled by "public bodies or community organisations" is like pretending that intelligent design is science. "Free speech" is precisely the term we use to indicate something different from that.

:hippie:
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dfgrbac Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 01:56 PM
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22. So, when will we start - free speech - in America?
Or to put it another way, a tyranny that controls speech controls everything else.

Yes, absolutely. And that's the way things are looking here more and more.

CNN and local media in New hampshire in planning their debate show for Democratic Presidential candidates have decided to exclude Mike Gravel from the debates. Is this obvious Imperial censorship?

I have personally written several letters to the editor of our large local newspaper about former Senator Gravel and his National Initiative for Democracy. None of them were considered for publication! It's not as if I cannot write well enough though. I've had many letters published in this paper on other subjects. Again, is this obvious Imperial censorship?

The Empire strikes back! Or, rather, keeps a lid on "free speech".
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:18 PM
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23. That is an example of free speech at work.
It is no more violation of free speech that CNN decides to limit their presidential debates to a select few candidates, than it is that the major Democratic candidates have decided not to debate on Fox. Or that this site routinely tombstones freepers. It is the very essence of free speech that these decisions are made by a host of private parties for a wide variety of reasons. Free speech is not something that the US, or any government, can practice. Free speech is what happens when governments at all levels have no power over everyone else making such decisions. Mike Gravel is still free to post his messages on youtube. His books are still sold on Amazon. His supporters are still free to advocate his candidacy here and elsewhere. If that doesn't give him the coverage that Hillary Clinton or Paris Hilton have, that's how things work where speech is free.

:hippie:
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dfgrbac Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:27 PM
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24. I'm sorry, but that's pure bull!
The public media was licensed as a public service to inform and entertain us. If they censor the information they provide to us, they are failing their mandate.

Mike Gravel is not just giving an opinion on something (for which I might agree with you that it might be excluded from the news). He is running for President of our great nation. That is news, baby! And it is wrong to not get his message out to the people!
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 06:23 PM
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25. You have to draw the line somewhere though
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 06:25 PM by NobleCynic
Given his relatively low support, it's no surprise. You can't give airtime to everyone who wants to run for president. The problem is that this only reinforces the entire "pay to play" setup.

Besides, isn't CNN cable? I think that means they don't have to deal with the same fairness guidelines that the standard stations do.

I just checked out his site though, and I have to say, I like his positions on the issues. He needs to get a large scale letter writing campaign or something going to force his way into the debate.
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dfgrbac Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:29 PM
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37. You don't get it, do you NobleCynic?
Edited on Sun Mar-18-07 12:35 PM by dfgrbac
A person with enough ambition to run for a large office like President of the United States cannot get support unless he gets exposure. I couldn't (and I imagine you couldn't either) put together enough money to do the letter writting campaign you suggest.

The general public has (at this point) no idea who Mike Gravel is or what he stands for. This is a gross inadequacy of our public media. They are not doing their job of presenting all candidates to the people for their consideration.

By the way, CNN is cable/satellite. But the local TV and radio stations who are part of the debate are FCC licensed stations. I am not sure how the FCC handles cable/satellite, but I think they have FCC rules to follow also.

The really troubling issue about the media is that it is controlled by our military-industrial empire. If you have not become aware of this yet, our news is tightly controlled. Many stories are censored. And the people in control and support of this empire are scared to death that democracy might take hold in America. This is why they don't want us to know about Mike Gravel since that is his main issue - empowering the people.
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 09:46 PM
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40. Watch the tone
Don't condescend.

If one lacks the funding to organize such a campaign, and also lacks the grassroots support, then his candidacy is dead in the water and should be ignored. It doesn't matter if he would be the best person for the job.

Yes, there are serious problems with our system. One has to have tremendous exposure before running to have a chance at the office. Yes, this helps make it so that status quo candidates have the upper hand almost every time.

But at the same time, even under a more ideal system, if you walk into such a contest without any support, financial or otherwise, you're probably not going to win. The ability to get exposure is a skill, a talent. If he lacks the ability to get exposure, even if he could win a primary, he probably doesn't have the finesse to win the general.

It doesn't matter how good your message is. Inability to get the message out trumps quality of the message every time.

By running for president you're declaring your intention to change the system from within. If you can't manipulate the system well enough to win, you should try changing the world via another route.
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dfgrbac Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 02:49 PM
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41. I am not condescending.
The whole point of the Gravel campaign is that politics as usual does not work! We have seen the failures the past few decades.

Time will tell if the people have awoken enough to take charge over the failed system.
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 10:58 PM
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42. I apologize then
I wish the best of luck, and sincerely hope that I'm wrong. He deserves a fair chance.
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Sybil_23mist Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:20 PM
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30. Peak Oil
Google "Peak Oil and Cuba"

America is not only a wasteland but also represents somnambulistic insanity.
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