You... beat the drum to send these kids to war...turn around & accuse us of rooting for them to die?

[underpants]

THE LOW POST: 101 Ways to Lie About Iraq
MATT TAIBBI

Beyond that, what you say doesn't even make any sense. For most of us, if we thought there was any chance this thing could work, we'd have been for it, or at least not so violently against it. Instead, our opposition to the war was based on our absolute conviction that it would end in disaster -- which it incidentally has. But according to Klein, if we see a guy step off the top of the Empire State Building, we're supposed to root for him to nail the dismount. :rofl: The whole issue is irrelevant and absurd. This is a catastrophe, not a baseball game. "Rooting" is a kid's word; grow the fuck up.

It's interesting that he doesn't include himself in that "overpowering arrogance and stupidity." That's because, according to Klein, he's been against the war since that September 2002 column he wrote about Al Gore. Except for one thing -- while Klein in that column did point out many things that could go wrong in Iraq, and suggested that we all give the invasion a good thinking over before we signed off on it ("this should cause us to pause, slow down, talk this over...), he didn't actually say we shouldn't go. In fact, he would say just the opposite six months later, on Meet the Press:

MR. KLEIN: ...This is a really tough decision. War may well be the right decision at this point. In fact, I think it -- it's -- it -- it probably is.
RUSSERT: Now that's twice you've said that: "It's the right war." You believe it's the wrong time. Why do you think it's the right war?
MR. KLEIN: Because sooner or later, this guy has to be taken out. Saddam has -- Saddam Hussein has to be taken out.






I think they're all full of shit -- Klein, McCain, Kerry, all of them. But especially Klein. He is the living, breathing incarnation of American "conventional wisdom" -- and what American "conventional wisdom" is is a spineless, slavish, power-worshipping watcher of polls who has no problem whatsoever denying today what he said yesterday, and is mostly interested in making sure he still has invitations to the right Beltway parties.

The war, you might have noticed, has not budged very many of these people from their places. Many of them now claim to be against the war. But they're the same people they were three or four years ago, and they're still quite openly sneering at the people who really were right all along. They seem to hate us even more, now that we've so obviously been proven right.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13390771/the_low_post_101_ways_to_lie_about_iraq/print

[fooj]

1. Wow.

Then there's this whole business of liberals who are accused of "rooting" for failure in Iraq. I'm sorry, but the next pundit who whips that one out should have his balls stuffed down his throat. You cocksuckers beat the drum to send these kids to war, and then you turn around and accuse us of rooting for them to die? Fuck you for even thinking that. We're Americans just like you. You don't have the right to get us into this mess and then turn around and call us traitors. Your credibility is long gone on this issue. Shut up about us.
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[Der Blaue Engel]

2. How did Kerry get dragged into that one?

I had this silly idea that the Kerry smears would stop once he announced he wasn't running. I must have underestimated the power of creating one's own self-righteous reality.

[underpants]

3. Taibbi is discussing how Joe Klein allows McCain and Bush to flipflop

but not Kerry.

[fooj]

4. I saw that, too. WTF?

I think they're all full of shit -- Klein, McCain, Kerry, all of them.

Nice of him to lump Kerry into the feces pile. Shit. WTF did HE have to do with the bullshit that Klein and McCain threw his way?

[Der Blaue Engel]

5. Right, but then he says Kerry's full of shit right along with them

despite the fact that Kerry has been trying to bring our troops home since before the 2004 selection.