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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:11 PM
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The New Yorker: Ask the Iraqis
Ask the Iraqis
by Lawrence Wright October 22, 2007


In the upcoming Presidential primaries, Americans will have the chance to choose among candidates who propose immediate withdrawal from Iraq (Richardson), rapid drawdowns (Edwards and Obama), open-ended commitment to the war (Giuliani, Romney, McCain), or a resigned middle ground, notably Hillary Clinton, who acknowledges that the occupation will likely endure well into the next Presidential term no matter which party occupies the White House.

The Iraqi people have no such choice, even though it’s their future that is at stake—and even though the creation of a democratic republic, one in which the Iraqis command their own destiny, has been a stated goal of the war. According to President Bush, American troops will leave whenever the Iraqis ask us to. “It’s their government’s choice,” he has said. “If they were to say, leave, we would leave.” But while the Iraqi government is divided and uncertain about the presence of occupying forces, the will of the Iraqi people has been clear from the beginning: they want the troops withdrawn.

As early as August of 2003, five months after the invasion, a Zogby poll found that two-thirds of Iraqis wanted the U.S. and British forces to leave the country within a year, and more than half said that the Iraqis should be left alone to set up their own government. Two years later, as Iraqis were about to vote in their first democratic election, two-thirds wanted the Coalition troops out either immediately or as soon as the new government was established. (The model that Iraqis most admired was that of the United Arab Emirates, a loose federation of seven tribal states, each overseen by a prince, and ruled by a president who is, essentially, a king.) In 2006, when the Iraqi government was in place, a poll by the University of Maryland found that seventy-one per cent of Iraqis wanted their government to ask the Americans to leave within a year; an even higher number doubted that the U.S. would comply with the request.

A poll released last month (by ABC News, the BBC, and the Japanese broadcaster NHK), half a year after the surge in American forces, found that nearly half of Iraqis favored an immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces, while thirty-four per cent of Iraqis, most of them Kurds, said that the U.S. should remain “until security is restored.” Among Shiites, forty-four per cent favored immediate withdrawal, and among Sunnis the figure reached seventy-two per cent—substantial increases in both cases. More Iraqis than ever—fifty-seven per cent—say that violence against American forces is acceptable, diminishing the prospect of order being restored as long as the occupation continues.

One might assume that if American forces could make the country more secure, Iraqis would feel better disposed toward the U.S. presence. Apparently not. American military leaders say that the surge has reduced sectarian attacks to their lowest level in more than a year, and yet the number of Iraqis wanting the U.S. to withdraw has risen by twelve per cent over the same period of time. Anbar Province, which President Bush recently visited because the surge had its greatest success there, has the highest concentration of those saying America should leave immediately.

The Iraqi government has a far more ambivalent view of the occupation than its people do. Inside the Green Zone, Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and a restive Council of Representatives have been struggling to respond to the sentiments of their constituents while not actually asking the Americans to leave. In June, the demagogic militia leader Moqtada al-Sadr, who heads one of the most powerful Shiite parties in the country, sponsored a resolution requiring the government to seek permission of the parliament before asking the U.N. to reauthorize the presence of foreign forces in Iraq. The resolution passed, gathering support even from Sunni lawmakers, including Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, then speaker of the parliament, who had previously called for the Americans to stay in the country for as long as a decade, or until “they have corrected what they have done.” Yet even Sadr was pressing not for an immediate pullout but, rather, for an unspecified “timeline” for withdrawal.

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:19 PM
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1. Sigh. AGAIN the press doesn't even mention Biden's proposal which differs
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 05:37 PM by gateley
from all the other candidates'.

And his proposal, even though it's his belief is the most prudent way to go, makes the provision that if it were implemented, it would be while working WITH the Iraqis if they want it.

It's clear and understandable that there are differing opinions within Iraq but the either/or approaches leave a tragedy behind either way. Biden wants to pull out our combat troops and the remaining troops would help with the rebuilding of Iraq WITH the people of Iraq. It may not be perfect, but it logically makes more sense.

Edit - spelling


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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:10 PM
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5. Biden? Biden who? (facetious)
Oh, is he still running for President? (Sarcasm)

The media, our great Deciders......
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:39 PM
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6. But the Iraqis don't want Biden's program:
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:45 PM
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2. So the Iraqis want Bidens plan...
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 05:46 PM by Froward69
Yet no one wants to give him credit??? Damn new yorker. yet more selective journalism by MSM...:banghead:
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:18 PM
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3. I'm speechless
More like ignorance. Does the writer watch Cspan? Biden dominates this issue and whether someone agrees or disagrees with him, he certainly should be part of the discussion, more so than Richardson.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:22 PM
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4. Agreed
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