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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 03:48 PM
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"What Really Bothers Me About Obama" (Chris Bowers)
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 03:50 PM by swag
http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2708

There has been a great deal of discussion online about the Obama campaign releasing a "Fact check" oppo document on Paul Krugman. Ezra Klein sums up part of why it is disturbing that an attack like this is coming from a leading Democratic Presidential candidate:

It's not only the actual attacks that are weak (most of them rely on misinterpreting one comment, then misinterpreting the next, then pretending there's a contradiction), but, seriously, it's Paul Krugman. Arguably the most progressive voice in American media. When I argued that the campaign should take the gloves off, I really didn't expect their target, in this document and in the health care fight more generally, would be progressivism.

It is certainly disturbing that Obama is attacking a leading progressive voice in a media system where progressive opinion journalists are few are far between. What is even more disturbing is that this is not the first time the Obama campaign has considered doing this. Back during the Donnie McClurkin fiasco, it has been confirmed to me from multiple sources that the Obama campaign was preparing opposition research papers of this sort against one of the progressive bloggers who were speaking ill of him at the time (Update: I have edited the previous sentence for the sake of clarity and accuracy. I know two separate things, and conflating them is a bit of speculation on my part. First, I know that about a year ago, someone was conducting oppo research on most major progressive bloggers, but I don't know who. After I heard about oppo being prepared against one blogger a couple months ago, I speculated that meant the earlier oppo was conducted by the Obama campaign as well. That is purely speculation on my part. Take it for what it is worth). When I heard about that, Obama temporarily dropped to last place in my personal choices on Democratic candidates. This is a campaign that appears willing to go negative against a wide range of progressive media figures should those figures step out of line and criticize Obama campaign decisions. Given that, I became personally worried that an Obama nomination would, at some point in the future, result in a public smear campaign, possibly directed by the a new White House communications department, against me and / or many of my friends and colleagues. As Jerome Armstrong wrote on Friday:


Actually, it's worse. Couple it with the quote of Obama's above the PR that says: "I want to campaign the same way I govern, which is to respond directly and forcefully with the truth -Barack Obama". It is plainly and simply an effort to call Paul Krugman a liar.

But it's also a telling quote of the way that Obama would govern as President-- by attacking those who are most outspoken in the being progressive.


That sounds about right. During an Obama presidency, progressive media figures could face regular attacks from a Democratic White House. It is a fear that I still hold, and which keeps me from getting excited about Obama's improving position in the campaign.


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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:05 PM
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1. The media have been pushing Obama and Clinton to the fore
since the start. I guess Obama wants to stay in their good graces, or maybe we should take him at his word and realize that he's much more of a conservative than it first seemed. (Or, I should say, as it seemed to me.)

And that will be great for the folks who have seen some evidence that conservatism is a successful way to go about things, but that ain't me babe.


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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:22 PM
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4. Sure the Media Has Been Pushing These Two
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 07:27 PM by mrone2
and they give a pass to Edwards too. Why? Because they know beyond any shadow of a doubt that the best shot at maintaining a Republican in the White House is to run against a candidate like

A) Clinton - Ton's of baggage from White Water and the mysterious death of Vince Foster straight through her husbands impeachable infidelity in the oval office (I'm sure they were confident enough of their powers to sway the Dems to her that they have this smear stuff already in the can with potential air dates);

B) Obama - A less than one term black Senator with little real legislative experience (hasn't even completed his first term in the Senate) and a last name of Obama they can periodically "mistakenly" refer to as Osama, and who would have an ice cubes chance in hell of carrying any southern state;

C) or Edwards whose actual voting record doesn't even come close to backing up his campaign rhetoric, and who was so unpopular as a Senator in his home state of NC that he would not have won reelection to a second term had he been folly enough to pursue it.

The candidate(s) that truly scare the corporate media are ignored, marginalized, and periodically "ridiculed" on their "fair and balanced" news programs.

Wake up America, it's really not so hard to see what's actually going on if you just open your eyes.

For me the answer is quite simple, nobody but Kucinich in 08. Time to put a real American Patriot in the White House.

Kucinich 08...Right Then...Right Now...Right For America :patriot:
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:49 PM
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2. Camp Obama denies oppo research on blogger
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:21 PM
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3. I do not see Obama as a liberal. He is a spectacular orator and would
probably be a good president, but a progressive he is not. He is actually much less progressive than Clinton and decidedly way behind Edwards.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:18 PM
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15. concur - his speech is engaging, great smile, often he
comes off more arrogant than Hillary can be - and that's an achievement
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:09 PM
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5. Obama Campaign Denies Collecting "Oppo Research" On Progressive Bloggers
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/obama_campaign_denies_collecting_oppo_research_on_progressive_bloggers.php

Obama Campaign Denies Collecting "Oppo Research" On Progressive Bloggers
By Greg Sargent - December 10, 2007, 3:56PM


Over at Open Left, Chris Bowers dropped this surprising nugget in a post about the Obama campaign's ongoing battle over health care with New York Times columnist Paul Krugman:

Back during the Donnie McClurkin fiasco, it has been confirmed to me from multiple sources that the Obama campaign was preparing opposition research papers of this sort against some of the progressive bloggers who were speaking ill of him at the time.

The Obama campaign put together oppo docs against progressive bloggers hitting the campaign over the mess surrounding antigay folk singer McClurkin? That's a strong charge -- but the Obama camp is denying it. I checked in with a campaign spokesman, who told me: "This is absolutely not true."

Be that as it may, if you haven't tuned into it, the Obama camp's battle with Paul Krugman is one of the more surprising developments of recent days. When Krugman attacked Obama's health care plan in a recent column, the Obama campaign responded with an oppo-style document suggesting that Krugman was contradicting a past column about the plan. Krugman then counterattacked.

As I've noted here a bunch of times, one of the more interesting subplots of Campaign 2008 has been the extent to which the Dem candidates have made attacks on right-wing and mainstream media figures a de rigeur part of their courtship of Dem primary voters. Unlike attacks on other "MSM" figures, going after Krugman obviously seems more likely to turn off Dem primary voters than to win them over, since Krugman has become the closest thing to an establishment voice that the Dem activist base has.

At any rate, the Obama camp is categorically denying drawing up research docs on lib bloggers, in case you were wondering.

Late Update: Bowers adds an update saying he only heard that oppo was being conducted by the Obama camp on one blogger:

I know two separate things, and conflating them is a bit of speculation on my part. First, I know that about a year ago, someone was conducting oppo research on most major progressive bloggers, but I don't know who. After I heard about oppo being prepared against one blogger a couple months ago, I speculated that meant the earlier oppo was conducted by the Obama campaign as well. That is purely speculation on my part
. Take it for what it is worth.

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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:14 PM
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6. Thanks for the kick, but note that I already posted this above.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:19 PM
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7. I missed, that, swag, sorry, so here's another kick.
Just wanted to set the elusive record straight, at least for a few minutes.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:20 PM
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8. Good for you. That truth, it has a bad tendency to hide from us.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:34 PM
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9. One more, babylonsister.
I find it sad that here Bowers won't even attempt to stand behind his assertions about Obama oppo on a blogger, but retreats to squishier ground.

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2712

I'm sorry I posted the OP, given the back-up its author has given it: none.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:07 AM
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10. No, they're too busy digging up dirt on John Edwards.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:18 AM
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11. why can't the Democrats do this to REPUBLICANS? This seems kind of dickless, like beating your wife
or kids.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:47 AM
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12. Update: original author will not substantiate his claims against Obama campaign
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:39 PM
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14. self deleted
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 12:40 PM by Scriptor Ignotus
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:57 AM
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13. request for lock or deletion
just to be a drama queen
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