The horrific question: How much are Democrats afraid to speak out because they fear assassination

[wcepler]

It's amazing how much America changed after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. In a sense, the idealism, confidence, and optimism of the Democratic Party were assassinated as well. And then the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King. And then the assassination of Bobby Kennedy.

And then the assassination (?) of Senator Paul Wellstone -- with the strategic Iraq flip/flop to the pugs in the Senate after his death.

And the anthrax in the mail that was sent only to high profile Democrats.

Clearly, whoever hates the FDR Democratic Party is willing to murder over and over again.

The impotent anthrax investigation might just as well have been conducted by dogs and cats and the JFK assassination was virtually demoted to a "conspiracy theory" (the catch all Republican spin to cover their crimes). But wait a minute! You mean he WASN'T assassinated and all those Democrats DIDN'T get anthrax in the mail?

No, those are all conspiracy theories and Democrats just like to shoot and poison themselves.

And 9/11? God knows.

How many desperately needed Democratic Presidential candidates are taking a pass because they simply want to stay alive for a few more years?

Organized crime politics knows that a dollop of terror works wonders to stifle a Congress, so who needs a majority if home grown terrorists are muzzling elected Democratic officials quite nicely?

This doesn't mean the elite hog trough isn't congested with both dems and pugs, but it does mean the dems may be given "offers they can't refuse".

There's not much more to be said about this since fear is not something you can explain away.

But haven't you noticed that post Senator Wellstone and anthrax, the Democratic Party abruptly became Republican light? Doesn’t this plausibly mean “they got the message”?

Let's pray that our Constitutional Ship of State isn’t being sunk by murdering rats from hell.
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W. Christopher Epler (Bill)

<http://theliberationofrealism.blogspot.com/>

[Auggie]

1. Character assassination is enough for them

[wcepler]

12. Indeed

Thanks, that's another form of assassination to be sure!

[dantyrant]

14. We don't know that....

Look at the scale of this plan that they had. They'd kill for it.

[katty]

2. strength in #'s- IF they were united for change ya can't kill 'em all!

[NoodleBoy]

3. so was Paul Coverdell murdered too? or Jo Ann Davis?

Paul Gilmor? Charles Norwood?

Oh wait, I get it-- you only pay attention when elected officials who are Democrats die, and then claim it's a conspiracy to kill them.

[terisan]

9. The Republicans you cite died of natural causes, the Dems cited were murdered or died in accidents.

Anthrax went to Democrats in Congress, not Republicans.

[NoodleBoy]

15. you haven't proven anything.

You could just as easily say those Republicans who died of natural causes were murdered in ways to make it appear natural, as you could say the Democrats who died were murdered but whose deaths were made to look accidental.

And the only real Anthrax sent to Democrats in Congress were to Daschle and Leahy, both prominent Dems who the crazies love to hate. Neither of them were killed in the attacks, and to try to use anthrax to kill public officials is a damn hamfisted way of trying to get it done, considering that members of congress NEVER open their mail themselves.

You're also forgetting that the same attacks were directed at members of the media. Not obvious Democrats, but people the crazies love to hate anyway.

The fake anthrax attacks have never killed anyone, and those people were tracked down pretty easily.

[terisan]

16. I am not trying to prove anything.

[NoodleBoy]

19. So why reply to me at all, if you've got nothing to defend?

[terisan]

21. To converse, but obviously we are not going to be able to communicate. No need to respond. nt

[NoodleBoy]

22. Wow that's lame. "I'm not going to talk to you cause we disagree!!"

[Forrest Greene]

27. That Might Not Be The Reason n/t

[Chulanowa]

23. Well, let's just see...

Paul Coverdell: Cerebral hemorrhage at the age of 61
Jo Ann Davis: Deteriorating condition after a relapse of breast cancer at age 57
Paul Gilmor: Blunt trauma injury to head and neck - presumed a fall down the stairs of his home.
Charlie Norwood: Died from cancer spreading to his liver due to immunosuppressants he was taking after a lung transplant.

So. Paul Gilmor -might- have been thrown down some stairs. Oddly enough, if such is the case, Republicans would be the most likely suspects. I've yet to hear of an assassin causing cancer, though.

This is kind of a different situation from the frequency of small plane crashes, gunshot wounds, and the like that have a way of killing Democrats. But hey, I guess if someone wants to think we evil liberals have control over the direction cancer takes in someone's body...

[NoodleBoy]

26. Kind of like how evil conservatives have control over small plane crashes?

[tom_paine]

28. Apples and oranges. Plane crashes have been used as political assainantion in other nations.

It is foolish to think that we are any different.

And you haven't noticed that the Bushies are arch-fucking-criminals or that Pat Tillamn (the one man who could have reached the Stupid White Men in 2004 and broken through the Bushiganda) died with three American bullets in his forehead, in such a tight pattern that it was later revealed the Dr. who performed the autopsy wanted to investigate foul play possibilities and was rebuffed by his superiors.

Tillman's body armor was burned, his journal seized and destroyed. The Pentagon investigations later showed e-mails in which Army officers were congratulating eaqch other for successful suppression ofthe investigation.

Finally, the murdered Tillman's dead body was used as a Bushie Propaganda Prop to enlist aid and support for the war (remember?).

It is sometimes amazing the denial of people. The Bushies have acted in every regard like Mafiosi, and yet you refuse to believe these people who have cause so many millions to be maimed and killed and have ultimately destroyed American Democracy, perhaps permanently, would NEVER stopp to murdering their enemies, and that the proportion f exposure and directness they would risk in in proportion to the threat.

Sheesh. Yeah, they behave like Mafia Member sin very other way, EXCEPT they would never murder their foes to protect their ill gotten gains.

Puh-leeze.

We will never know what really happened in these cases, because like in Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Communist China, and any other Totalitarian State, the arch-criminals also control and direct law enforcement from positions of directorship, if not the actual boots on the ground.

Saaaaay, how's that anthrax investigation going? Heard anything lately. I mean, just because the anthrax ONLY got sent to Democrats and "liberal media" members, why no policeman worth their salt would consider that to be a pattern or a lead! :rofl:

Keep your eyes closed, then. We have the nicest totalitarina arch-criminals tha ever ruled a nation then, that's for sure NoodleBoy.

I will not do your research for you, but this is all easily verifiable by Googling.

[Chulanowa]

32. It's easier to mess up a plane than to give someone breast cancer

I'm not going to assume that every plane crash is due to tampering. But the prevalence of Democrats dying in "freak accidents" or outright assassination, versus the Republican tendency to die of more probable causes does look awful weird.

I figure the evil conservatives are more interested in fucking their voter base. Or at least, their voter base's children. Literally.

[natrat]

34. you are missing the entire point-dems have become castrated-why do you think?

[NoodleBoy]

36. gee I don't know, I think it has something to do with only have a slim majority in 1 branch of

government, and not any control over the Executive branch.

But that's just me.

[eridani]

30. The crazies aren't supposed to have access to weapons grade anthrax n/t

[terisan]

10. The Republicans you cite died of natural causes, the Dems cited were murdered or died in accidents.

Anthrax went to Democrats in Congress, not Republicans.

[LakeSamish706]

4. And if this were the case, resign your seat and let someone with a spine...

fill the position! If any of these Democrats are afraid, they should step the hell out of the way and let someone else take over.

[balantz]

5. Hell yes!

These people were elected by us to defend the Constitution.

[wcepler]

6. which way will they jump?

I couldn't agree more, but one still wonders how much their minds are clouded with fear. Also, it's a catch 22, because if they stopped acting like wimps, the enforced rule of law would be enough.

[balantz]

7. If they have been threatened at least one of them would stand up.

Send the wife/husband and kids to another country for vacation and stand up and do your job. Not having one stand up makes it one more reason for me to believe there is something else going on.

[radhika]

8. You're in Denial - wake up!

Its almost like battered child/spouse syndrome. You know - the distressed family members make up pathetic excuses for the abuser's behavior rather than face how worthless and vile the person is. They would be the good wonderful leaders we want them to be, but bad people are (choose) 1) threatening THEM, 2) threatening their FAMILIES 3) going to unleash horrors that will distroy the world. IMHO the types of folks in elected office today are valueless, characterless, and only in it for the types of money and opportunities they can cash in on after they complete their terms.

And another point: Lots of folks are comfortable facing threats - and know that the best defense is always to GO WIDE. I do not see any of them doing that. Do you?

[wcepler]

11. the fear factor

Look, I agree with most of what you're saying and have been saying similar things for the last couple of years. I'm not suggesting the "fear factor" explains everything and I'm CERTAINLY not saying that gives these wimps an "excuse" for betraying us (specifically the 2006 Democratic Congress). I'm just wondering how much the fear factor does factor into all of this. My gut feeling is that many of these people are profoundly afraid, but find a thousand ways to mask their fear. Maybe I shouldn't have used something as dramatic as "assassination" in the title (although that's ultimately at the bottom of the fear). Maybe something like: "How much is this Democratic Congress is the acting out of fear?" would have better. Oh well, second guessing.

Anyway, I don't think we disagree much. I'm just wanting to throw in another variable, even though I'm not sure (short of an honest interview) how we'll ever know how much these people really are in the grip of fear.

Plus, as someone else pointed out, EVEN IF they are afraid, so what? They still should stand up and be counted and not betray the people (i.e., progressives) who elected them to the 2006 Congress. What was it Hemingway said? Courage is grace under pressure.

solidarity, Bill

[yurbud]

13. yep--which Dem presidential candidates don't have kids?

I bet it's probably only Kucinich, which means that he is only risking his own life, not that of his family.

[terisan]

18. Remember Bush's first Secretary of Treasury. He left disillusioned and was going to reveal more.

He indicated that he was being leaned on to be quiet and said something to the effect that they couldn't do anything to hurt him because he was old, rich and (something else I forget).
He backed down within days and wouldn't say anything more. I considered at the time that he had grandchildren.

[yurbud]

24. I have my college students write a paper on torture, and the most effective kind is third party

People can endure all kinds of psychological or physical suffering, but if you abuse their loved ones in front of them, that's when everyone will break.

The same is true if it is threatened and you know the person making the threats will follow through.

[eridani]

31. Kucinich has an adult daughter from a previous marriage n/t

[hvn_nbr_2]

17. "Taking a pass"

How many desperately needed Democratic Presidential candidates are taking a pass because they simply want to stay alive for a few more years?

That really resonates with something I've thought for a couple decades now. But it's not just potential presidential candidates from among the pool of politicians. Basically, I believe that a large percentage of the current generations' potential political leaders didn't go into politics at all after the wave of 1960s assassinations. It was clear that anyone who had the potential to make a difference was going to be murdered, so they chose other ways to make a difference in their world.

[wcepler]

25. other ways

I totally agree and let's pray that there "other ways" are successful. Such another way is something I've been pushing for which is nationwide boycotts -- but that's another story.

Bill

[MasonJar]

20. How about Senator Carnahan? And the military witnesses to the

illegal flight of Nukes over the USofA; was it three that suddenly died? And then there was the military officer in Afghanistan who was questioning the accounting and the officer who was questioning the handling of the war in Iraq, who suddenly decided to commit suicide, and the NBA football star and, oh, how the list goes on and on.

[tom_paine]

29. Don't forget the female financial officer who told her family she feared for her life

after what she had seen and that they should not believe it if she turned up dead.

Oh, she shortly was killed by a point-blank shot to the head. It's all in the DU archives and this latest Murder Victim of the Bushies was killed not long ago. It's all easily Googled, too.

[Daveparts]

33. Either you Are

Or you aren't, they will only kill those as a last resort.Suppose to FBI agents came to you and mentioned it would be a shame if someone found a kilo of cocaine in your son's car? Ask Fred Curry,




What if just hypothetically, you had spoken out against the government or exposed government corruption. Then you’re pulled over by police and they look at your driver license and say, “Yeah that looks like the guy.” You are arrested and taken downtown and booked on a charge of conspiracy to distribute cocaine.

You protest your innocence but in court the police testify that although they did not find any drugs on you. They observed you holding plastic bags that they believed had drugs in them and found a cache of 50 vials of crack under a stoop half a block from where you were sitting.

You explain in your defense, you have no connection to the drugs, you work for the city and they think highly of you. You have no criminal record other than a teenage arrest for fighting. Your employer comes to your defense and testifies under oath that you were at work when the police supposedly saw you with those bags.

Surely, you couldn’t be convicted on such spurious charges could you? No connection to the drugs at all and the only evidence against you at all is a policeman who said you were holding baggies that might have had drugs in them. Could you go to jail in America on such charges? Land of the free home of the brave? Of course not! With our system of checks and balances you couldn’t possibly go to jail just because a policeman said so.

So then they charge you again and arrest you again! Despite the fact that a jury could not reach a decision in your first trial. Despite the backlog in the courts and the cost to the community. Despite your personal history of gainful employment and no criminal record in your adult life a prosecutor thought that the merits of the case called for a retrial.

Then you’re convicted in your second trial.

In August 2006 Fred Curry of Baltimore MD video tapped the arrest of his Uncle Wayne Curry on the street by Baltimore police. Wayne Curry is standing handcuffed next to a police car, he is struck and thrown to the ground then violently dragged back to the police cruiser. When the video tape surfaced it caused outrage in the black community for like so many of these video’s the policemen involved where white and the suspect was black and in handcuffs and unable to resist.

Fred Curry was arrested during a drug sweep when according to witnesses police arrested him only after his identity became known. The witness Sheldon Richburg testified under oath, “They asked him what his name is, and then they handcuffed him and said, ‘We’ll do you like you did us,’”

Curry’s first trial ended in May with a hung jury and Attorney Granville Templeton said, “Clearly they want to get him out of the way; the drug charges his client faces are retaliation for his involvement in making the tape that embarrassed the department.

But during his second trial the judge, Baltimore Circuit Judge Albert Matricciani issued a gag order during the trial and barred Curry’s attorney from mentioning the videotape during closing arguments or speaking to the media. Templeton argued after the verdict the video was crucial to his case.

Now why would the judge do that? The crux of your defense is that you are being maliciously prosecuted. The police find no drugs on you, witnesses testify you were not in the area when the police claim they saw you with baggies. Witnesses testify that the police even said, ‘We’ll do you like you did us,’” but without the ability to present or even mention the video what defense does Fred Curry have?

Fred Curry, 36, was found guilty of possession of cocaine with intent to distribute and conspiracy to distribute after two hours of deliberation by a city jury. Both crimes carry a maximum penalty of 40 years in prison. Sentencing is scheduled for Oct. 10.

Margaret Burns, spokeswoman for Baltimore City State’s Attorney Patricia Jessamy, applauded the verdict. “This case is an example of how a thorough police drug investigation can yield a significant conviction and substantial jail time,” she said. “The prosecutor worked closely with police detectives in a partnership that benefits public safety.”

This is no more justice than a Gestapo arrest and the only thing the prosecutors proved was that they couldn’t win the case without denying Fred Curry the tools to defend himself. The streets of Baltimore are no safer there are no less drugs or drug dealers loose on the streets. The only ones made safer are the thugs in government, I said thugs and I mean thugs whether you swing a billy club or a gavel the American revolution was meant to protect us from them not by them.

That freedom of speech against the government is the most essential and only one worth having for anything else is faux freedom. A sugar coated illusion for elementary school textbooks and the minds of idiots.

The citizens of Baltimore owe Fred Curry not only an apology but also a thank you for exposing police brutality. A brutality that will never get better by itself and extends to the highest levels of the judiciary.

Casey, the preacher in Steinbeck’s novel The Grapes of Wrath explaining why he was under arrest smiled and answered, “Because I talked back!”


Somebody needs to go to jail for 40 years but it’s not Fred Curry.

The investigation of the police cleared them of all wrong doing.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNwrMFBNHlw

Lawyer: Retrial is retaliation for video -

[natrat]

35. oh man we are entering the just keep your mouth shut era