The Beginning of the End of the Republican Party

[scottxyz]

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CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll
". . . please tell me whether you have a favorable or
unfavorable
opinion of . . . the Democratic Party." 


Jan. 29-Feb. 1, 2004          %

Favorable                    59

Unfavorable                  34

No Opinion                    7

More at:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=beginning+end+republican+party&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=7f7820tlkjv0h0uf2uae7s3scvs8ro6thd%404ax.com&rnum=1

Bob Herbert NYT editorial at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/06/opinion/06HERB.html

[Fovea]

1. I gues it is time to deliver

that box full of used razor blades I have been saving up the last few years down to the local GOP headquarters.

1/3 of voters are unfavorable to the Democrats. Can you say irrelevant?
If that favorable number is true, then we celebrate by electing ourselves a real democrat of the democratic wing of the party.

What a horrible moment for the Republicans. They wanted a Republican to be president in the worst way, and they got their wish!


But it does make sense. I looked at the top three truthout stories, they were all about watergate, but none of them were about the same Republican Political Crime. That is the Pubs going DTT*, as we used to say in the ER.

*Down the tubes.

[dw]

2. Or, to put it graphically...

And while we're reading patterns...

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4. liberalism doesn't lose presidencies!

the election you cite were not about political philosophy. modern elections usually aren't.

carter-reagan? try stagflation and hostages. besides, carter wasn't exactly liberal.

reagan-mondale? personality. would you like a charming, genial, grandfatherly story-teller; or a droning racoon-looking geezer?

bush-dukakis was a mostly a referendum on the reagan years, and may i point out that dukakis very nearly won. the final tally was not so close, but a different handling of the what-if-your-wife-was-raped question or the tank photo-nop and duke would have won.


as much as political philosophy inspires the party core, it doesn't win elections either way. personality, dirty tricks, image, catchy slogans and witty one-liners are what make or break candidacies.

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7. Funny thing is, guess whose turned into the liberals?

Why it's Dimson and his Republican Congressional majorities!

Damn, look at the growth of government. Clinton, that paragon of fiscal responsibility leaves George with $400BB and he turns it into a $500BB deficit in 3 years! Talk about big spending liberals!

And look at what the liberals are doing now. Want to get into your bedroom and see who you're sleeping with. Maybe ban abortions...get right into that uterus! And we'll tell you what science is now...no need for peer review. And let's go to the Moon...and Mars too!

Let's do nation building while we're at it. Another $50BB for Iraq, right after the election....no problem.

Of course, nothing for the environment. I'm old enough to remember when conservatives were pro-environment. Those conservatives are in the Democratic Party now.

You are so correct. The Republican Liberal Party and their values are going down bigtime!

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[Old and In the Way]

16. Well, that was rather difficult in 1999, wasn't it Strategist?

Rush and the VRWC were in full lie mode about Clinton's affair with trumped up land deals and Monica. The Republicans had spent $70MM of taxpayer money and 8 years investigating a $30,000 busted land deal. And they sent 500 FBI agents to Arkansas to chase down the story of every floozy who the American Spectator could find to lie about Bill. Of course, the Impeachment was a joke.....but I have to ask you Straegist,

If we can impeach a President because he lied about sex....do you think we should maybe impeach a pResident who lies about WMD that leads to the death of 500 American soldiers (and counting) and 10,000 innocent Iraqi's?

Why do you hate America so much?

[Old and In the Way]

15. You're killing me Strat!

No,no.no...we are in the era of really BIG BUSH Government!

Medicare? We're helping out all the poor pharmacutical companies, Staregist! Why would we want to use the power of the federal government to hold down prescription drugs when we can let each HMO pass the increased costs on to the retirees? You think it's cheap buying Republican Congressmen? More than $100,000 for their vote, according to one of them.

And outsourcing critical military supply functions. Man, he has a lot of corporate mouths to feed! Think it's easily stuffing $1000 bills into Halliburton pockets? How many meals can you overcharge? How much gas and plywood can you rip off the American taxpayer?

This "War on Terror", heck we have to spend $400BB/year to worry about a 1000 Al Qaeda cave dwellers. And even with the best military AF in the world, the Pentagon can't protect itself 52 minutes after the 2nd WTC crash. And who wouldn't be proud of George giving Gen. Meyers, the man in charge of the military on 9/11, that promotion to JCS days later? How was he to know they'd choose that 2 hours to have an attack?

Well, we can take the 9/11 writedown on the economy for sure, but don't you think we should get George to pay us back for the 30 days of vacation in August? I mean, I don't expect him to read every CIA warning about AQ attacks against US targets, but I'd think he'd be decent enough to forgo the paid vacation as partial reimbursement to the trillion hit we took, don't you? And he did spend 40%+ of his time on vacation prior to 9/11...so it's not like he was overworked or anything.

Clinton didn't cut the military and you know it. He fully funded the budget requirements. Of course, his superior diplomatic skills negated the expense in lives and USD....the world fed out of his palm. When he committed troops for the NATO action in Kosovo, it was to stop the genocide....and no American lost his life in that humanitarian action.

Funny thing about terrorism. Call them criminals and enlist the UN to track them down, destroy their financial base, and their toast. But Bush decides to lie about Iraq and Al Qaeda and lie about WMD. He pisses the whole world off, makes us look like the resource occupiers that we are, and still has not captured Osama bin Laden. Maybe George can ask Poppy to check with the bin Laden family, their business partners in the Carlyle Group, you know.

So, I'll be voting Democrat in Novemeber. Time to deal with the terrorists once and for all.

Too bad about Joe. Shouldda been a little angrier in 2000 when the Republicans stole the election in FL. Oh well. Guess you'll be forced to vote for those liberal Republicans that are screwing this country royally!

[Old and In the Way]

6. Well, the only real fact you postualed is not true.

Clinton enjoyed majorities in both houses for 3 of 8 years. Republicans controlled both Houses from there on out.

Democrats won by 500,000 votes in 2000....Remember? Can you say Stolen Election? Now let's think this out. Let's assume Kerry wins this year.

How many Democrats will vote Bush over Kerry? 0
How many Democrats will vote who didn't vote last time? A lot
How many Independents will vote for Bush this time? A lot less than last time.
How many Independents will vote for Kerry? A whole lot more than Bush.
How many Republicans will vote for Bush this time? Less.
How many Repblicans will stay home? A whole bunch.

Next up for Bush:

9/11 Investigation - Did he really hit the trifecta?
Plame Investigation - Who's the treasonous bastard?
WMD Investigation - "Independent" investigation, my arse.

Kerry vs. Bush no Mas.

AWOL
Harken
9/11 - Bush reading goat stories than fleeing harm's way
Bush - I won the war. 500 Americans died and 10,000 Iraqi's so I could bag my defanged tyrant trophy. It only cost taxpayers $200 BB

Fiscal Stewardship -

Clinton: Turns $300BB Bush deficit into a $400BB surplus, 10 year projection of $1.4TT Surplus
Bush: $700BB deficits to date, 10 year projection min $2TT deficit.

So will George win? Not even BBV is going to save his worthless butt...I'm thinking 65/35 Kerry in a landslide repudiation of the Republican Party. I'm betting that his coattails are going to nuetralize DeLay's unconstitutional gerrymandering and Democrats regain majorities in both Houses.

Then the real fun begins.

Hillary maybe in 2012, maybe, but it's tough to take on the incumbant Veep.

:-)

[Seldona]

12. Remind us?

--May I remind you that in the 1990's we controlled the House, and the Senate, and the Presidency!--

And look at where it has gotten us.

Well you made it over 10 posts. Grats.

Now slink back to Freeperville and leave the intelligent alone please.

Umm mods? :)

[scottxyz]

18. Strategist the Liberal versus Strategist the Dittohead

Will the real Strategist please stand up?

Here we hear Strategist bolding proclaiming "in the 1990's we controlled the House, and the Senate, and the Presidency!"

Here hear Strategist offering brilliant 'Stratergy' like:

"We've got to stop people like Dean, Edwards, and Kerry from ruining our Party."

And yet, on another thread about Fox and Rush, we hear Strategist singing a different song (after getting a little hot under the collar, admittedly - after being so throroughly rebutted) - singing Rush's and Fox's praises:

Listen here you Liberals... I Listen to Rush every God Damn day, his ratings are skyrocketing, you may think he's going to jail, but he's not. Aren't you paying attention to the BIASED Liberal Media? The Folks vs. Rush are losing. I dare one of you to post "a recent blow" to Rush.

You can look up that other post here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1093920#1094000

Will the real Strategist please stand up? Or does Oxycontin cause schizophrenia?

My preference? I kinda liked the hot-under-the-collar, dittohead-defending Strategist. Sounded a bit more authentic to me.

One thing disruptors are good for, I'll have to admit. They pick out the threads most damning to Republicans and keep bumping them up in the list.

But perhaps it's worth remembering the signs posted in the Comments section of many blogs these days: "Please don't feed the trolls."

[scottxyz]

19. Ahem

One small correction, "Strategist".

You say: Whether we like it or not, the United States is now drifting Conservative.

The polls cited in the original post prove quite the contrary.

The only thing that's "drifting Conservative" is the Choicepoint- and Diebold-rigged, media-censored, mob-stolen elections. The people didn't want Bush last time around, and they want him even less now.

Again, look at the poll cited above. Note the HIGH number for Democrats and the LOW number for Republicans. This is not "drifting Conservative." This is the slumbering mass of liberals - centrists - Republicans - Democrats - whoever - waking up and realizing that a small cabal of crazy people has taken over the country and the media.

Nobody wants to live in a bankrupt police state pretending to be an empire fighting pre-emptive wars with faulty intelligence while terrifying the citizenry with meaningless Code Orange alerts and Reichstag Ricin distractions and turning the Currency to toilet paper by shipping half a billion in cash a week to war-profiteers in Iraq while jobs and education and healthcare and veteran's benefits and Medicare and civil rights disappear at home.

Not even "Conservatives" or rich people want that kind of mess - as shown by how the dollar tanked the day AWOL chickenhawk Bush announced his phony budget (which conveniently left out trillions of debts 5-10 years out - as well as ANY mention of funding for the Wars on Iraq and Afghanistan).

It's been a bad month for Bush - the Republicans are starting to implode, just like Rush. Just like Gingrich's "Contract on America". In the end, it turns out to have been a lot of smoke and mirrors - and normal people want jobs and surpluses and healthcare and education and REAL intelligence that protects them instead of phony surveillance that just blows up their ass. Who woulda thunk?

The whole flimsy mess has been held together by censorship of the media and rigging of the voting machines - there's no other way to get the people to vote against their own interests. And the whole flimsy mess is starting to come apart at the seams now.

People didn't want Bush in 2000 - they politely rallied behind him for a while after 9/11 - but he squandered America's and the world's goodwill by continuing on his madcap campaign to loot the Treasury and shred the Bill of Rights and attack the wrong countries and chop up our social programs - and thanks to the constant hammering of a thousand bloggers and posters, people are finally starting to catch on.

To the tune of 59% to 34%, last time CNN checked.

As noted in the original post.