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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 11:35 AM
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"Time For the New Whine" Philip Slater
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-slater/time-for-the-new-whine_b_148118.html

Philip Slater's take on the leftist Obama critics:


"We were all outraged with Bush for mutilating the Civil Service and substituting his incompetent and corrupt cronies, but now the armchair leftists are scandalized that Obama isn't doing the same thing--isn't putting together a government of yes-men and clones, and creating a bubble of Groupthink. Speedy as he is, Obama can't top the armchair leftists for early starts--they're on the attack before he even takes office.

Armchair leftists seem to have a hard time distinguishing between talking and doing. They admire the political talkers but disdain the political doers of America, who are never progressive enough. Armchair leftists know for sure that their opinions are the correct ones, and like to listen endlessly to other people who profess them. They vote piously for fringe candidates who don't have a prayer of winning--ideologues who couldn't mount a viable political campaign if their lives depended on it. Fringe candidates in America have this advantage, after all: they will always remain pure, like a bug preserved in amber. They'll never get sullied by having to participate in the messy business of negotiating with the conservative unwashed. (This would change, of course, if we had proportional representation, but we don't). Fringe candidates have the further advantage that you can vote for them and feel you contributed to a progressive cause, and then go home and get back to the more comfortable business of whining about the status quo and the perfidy of politicians."

-snip-

"Obama has always been a moderate liberal--never claimed to be anything else. Only the fundamentalist Red State crazies see him as socialist or communist. But he's the most progressive president-elect we've ever had, except possibly LBJ and FDR. But he's far less likely to embark on stupid military escapades than LBJ was, while FDR couldn't have accomplished anything if he didn't have what was then the Solid South behind him. They didn't care what he did as long as he preserved segregation. Which he did.

Keep in mind that Bill and Hillary were pretty progressive when they started out in 1992. Bill wanted gays to be able to serve in the military and Hillary was going to reform health care. And they were both promptly squashed. They over-estimated their power and under-estimated the opposition, something Obama is unlikely to do. All they managed to achieve was to eliminate excessive secrecy in the federal government, which was undone, in spades, by the Bush administration."

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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 11:53 AM
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1. I love it ! I haven't seen it in print before but sure have seen it in reality!
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"Armchair leftists seem to have a hard time distinguishing between talking and doing. They admire the political talkers but disdain the political doers of America, who are never progressive enough. Armchair leftists know for sure that their opinions are the correct ones, and like to listen endlessly to other people who profess them. They vote piously for fringe candidates who don't have a prayer of winning--ideologues who couldn't mount a viable political campaign if their lives depended on it. Fringe candidates in America have this advantage, after all: they will always remain pure, like a bug preserved in amber. They'll never get sullied by having to participate in the messy business of negotiating with the conservative unwashed. (This would change, of course, if we had proportional representation, but we don't). Fringe candidates have the further advantage that you can vote for them and feel you contributed to a progressive cause, and then go home and get back to the more comfortable business of whining about the status quo and the perfidy of politicians. "

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 12:11 PM
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2. I'm getting SICK of people calling me a "leftist" because I don't *Idol Worship* ANY Politician.
:puke: :thumbsdown:
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 03:03 PM
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3. What does that have to do with this article? n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:39 PM
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5. EVERYTHING
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 10:23 PM
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6. They sure don't mind being repetitive with the "whine" meme.
Come on people, surely someone can come up with their own clever, original word for dissent?

Must everyone from Rush Limbaugh to every other DUer label simple questions "whining"?

Lockstep is boring.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 10:27 PM
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7. Did you read the article? n/t
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 10:38 PM
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9. Nope, just responding to the seemingly endless use of the word "whine".
Really bored with the dumbing down of discourse. I didn't mind it so much when it sank to 8th grade level, now that it's hit 3rd grade ("whiners", "haters" really?) I am starting to freak out.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:36 PM
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4. Thank you for posting this.
:hi:
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 10:28 PM
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8. You're welcome. I'm usually on the leftist side of this argument....
but I have the utmost respect for Philip Slater's thinking, and I see his points here.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:46 AM
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10. those attacks will do a lot of damage
I hope that most here will disavow these smear attacks, on our own, and the derogatory stereotyping and broad brush generalizations.

Nothing is a greater threat to the party and the success of the new administration, in my opinion. The opinion expressed by Slater here can never be successfully enforced on his opponents, and there is no reason to believe that he would ever cease the attacks, until and unless those who disagree with him cease expressing their opinions. This will split the party right in two, and cripple the new administration. He is taking a "my way or the highway approach," burning the bridges and caring not whom he pisses off and alienates. There can be no good outcome from these slash and burn tactics being used against the Left, especially when the general public is moving relentlessly and dramatically to the Left and with the economy collapsing.

Bad move to go after the Left right now. The election was not a repudiation of the political Left, it was a rejection of the right - especially the right wing economic programs. It was not an endorsement of liberal social positions. The people are not "socially liberal and economically conservative" as most of the activists and pundits are, but the exact opposite. Driving the Left out of the party, playing footsie with the Republicans, and becoming Republican lite would be political suicide now.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 07:32 AM
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11. What a vacuous article
a few gratuitous smacks at progressives- and nary and original thought.

One expects much better from Slater than that....

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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 12:57 PM
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12. Well said. An utterly useless rant. n/t
-Laelth
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babydollhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 03:07 PM
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13. kick
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