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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:03 PM
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What Happened to the Antiwar Movement? (MSNBC Online)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4546739/

"Despite months of antiwar demonstrations in the United States and overseas, the U.S.-led invasion took place — and the occupation continues. Yet many antiwar organizations are still going strong even as the agenda has shifted.

"Organizers say they were validated by the failure to find weapons of mass destruction and the revelations about the dubious evidence used to justify the invasion of Iraq."

The headline pisses me off. Where is the headline reading "What Happened to the Weapons of Mass Destruction"?

Also, don't miss you change to vote a second time on the MSNBC poll. It apparently doesn't treat views of the poll control on different pages against prior votes
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:08 PM
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1. Wait until tomorrow
Global anti-war events everywhere. See the DU activist forum for info. Here's just one in Los Angeles.

Los Angeles March and Rally
This Saturday
March 20, 12 noon
Hollywood & Vine

Global day of action
on the first anniversary of the
U.S. bombing and invasion of Iraq
Bring the troops home now!
End colonial occupation
from Iraq to Palestine and everywhere!
Money for jobs, health care, housing & education
not for war & occupation!

Speakers include Ron Kovic and Fernando Suarez, as well as Radical Teen Cheer. There will be an opening rally at the assembly point, as well as after the march, with speakers and music by 6-7 bands.
http://answerla.org /

Look for us. We'll be the ones with the big Bush Puppet.


For the Du thread on the Los Angeles event go here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x6354

Anyone want to see images of the Bush protest in Century City last June go here:
http://ediablo.com/protest6-27.html
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:08 PM
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2. Yes, we're even marching in Fargo
It's the slanted coverage of today that got me so pissed off.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:18 PM
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6. Yay for Fargo! (my home for many years)
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truthseeker1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:12 PM
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4. I'm going to be there!!
I'm making my sign this afternoon:

273 LIES / 574 DEAD!!
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:19 PM
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7. 575
:cry:
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truthseeker1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:28 PM
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8. does anyone know what the wounded tally is?
I thought I heard Amy Goodman say 21,000 this morning. I think I'll include that figure on my sign too but want to confirm it first.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:30 PM
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10. I am not sure
but this week the numbers of both dead and wounded seem to change by the hour. Very sad.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 07:07 AM
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33. Here's a running tally of all the vital stats they don't want you to know.
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:40 PM
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13. Alas, truthseeker1, I shouldn't have used "we"
as I've been informed that my son's basketball game takes precedence. There will only be six kids (if they all make it) for their 3rd grade team.

I was out in February last year, so I'll have to just fire off another letter to Jack Zaleski of The Forum instead.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:09 PM
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3. controlling the perception of the masses
rather than tell them the facts of what's happening around them.
to say more would indeed depress me.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:13 PM
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5. Oh... I Think They're Gonna Get A Wake-Up Call Tomorrow !!!
Edited on Fri Mar-19-04 03:38 PM by WillyT
Maybe the protests in every city should go by their local NBC affiliates and give 'em a shout, no???

Hell, in NYC, they could all amass outside of NBC Headquarters amd scare the shit out of them, or al least say "hi", LOL!!!

:shrug:

On edit: spulling
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truthseeker1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:29 PM
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9. We usually go by the CNN building here in LA
it's right on Sunset and it's on the parade route tomorrow too, so I'm sure we will pause there for a few minutes and shout some CNN-specific messages. I wish we were going by Fox and NBC though. CNN is the lesser of the evils....
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 04:34 PM
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19. Yep, if the cameras won't come to the demonstrations
Then maybe the demonstrations should go to the cameras?

There are a bunch of live AM shows in NYC. People should show up every day with anti Bu$h signs.

Another option, is for folks to do their own video tapes of the demonstrations and then send them to all the people in the media. If they get enough free tape, some of them will run it.




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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:33 PM
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11.  © 2004 MSNBC Interactive
They call themselves interactive, yet I do not see an easy-to-click link that allows readers to actually GET interactive.. They need to be told about misleading headlines.. I e-mailed them, but they do not make it easy..
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waldenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:38 PM
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12. only 1% of protesters are anti-war
the majority are just anti-republican-wars.
Fucking hypocrites.
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 05:15 PM
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22. so what?
One can object to one war without objecting to all wars. One can think that defensive wars are just, and that offensive wars are injust. And one can make up one's own mind as to which are which.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:47 PM
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14. Answer: "We at MSNBC crushed it under our lies"
Sorry about the mess.
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:47 PM
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15. Not LBN. It is in the opinion/analysis section of MSNBC.
Edited on Fri Mar-19-04 03:48 PM by demdave
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:55 PM
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16. What do they know about--or care about--what?
Edited on Fri Mar-19-04 03:57 PM by rocknation
They never covered it! Your idea of covering it was asking questions like, "Why are you out here why soliders are in the fields?"

:headbang:
rocknation
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:58 PM
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17. Too many people fell for the "you break it, you bought it" line.
Of course, adopting this argument ignores the fact that we have no right to 'buy' Iraq.

Some people - otherwise wonderful, progressive people - would rather let this turn into another Vietnam than get the U.N. in and the U.S. out. It's appalling, and so utterly naive and incognizant of history.

We'll leave Iraq one day - either by choice, or by force. But it will never be after 'winning the peace'. That is a dangerous, selfish fantasy that will never come true, no matter how hard some wish for it to.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 04:52 PM
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20. I'm into the peace within humanity,...not fantasy,...
,...and although I appreciate what you say, I cannot accept that we will leave Iraq ONLY by choice or force. I have never witnessed life or humanity operate upon such distinct terms, and I say this as a person who could never be accused of pure selfish fantasies. The human spirit is persistent notwithstanding the pains associated with the process of evolving. That's just the way it is,...it is difficult and challenging.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 03:49 AM
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32. We were forced out of Viet Nam. This sort of thing has a precedent.
Iraq truly is the new Viet Nam, unfortunately. I hope Kerry is not the new LBJ.

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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 04:27 PM
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18. Right to invade: 48% Wrong: 45% with 121259 responses
A year later, do you believe the U.S. did the right thing by invading Iraq?

Yes: 48%

No: 45%

I'm not sure yet: 6%

* 121259 responses
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 07:46 PM
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26. Idiots, 48%. when the draft comes back
they will change their minds when their kids get sent.
In the meantime, the media continues to hide the body bags, the wounded, and the TRUTH.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 04:54 PM
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21. I'm surprised we're not on "Orange Alert" for tomorrows demos
Hey MSNBC:

May be some people dropped out of antiwar movement
because they didn't want their pictures to wind up
in an FBI file.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:52 PM
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29. Never mind
Edited on Fri Mar-19-04 10:02 PM by VelmaD
I was misinformed earlier...I checked the Homeland Security webpage and they say we're still at yellow. I feel safer already. :eyes:
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 05:16 PM
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23. I think the Bush admin renamed them "terrorists"
Free speech is dangerous to the nation!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 05:21 PM
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24. You have to go to Iraq
if you want free speech.

Americans lost their democracy and rights on 01/21/2001
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savistocate Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 05:57 PM
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25. A "war" should have two sides
to truly fit the definition. An invasion by THE.. Super-Power against --what??

Iraq Regime Change, Seizure of Iraqi Assets,
Destroy& Plunder Operation, Civilian Slaughter Shock&Awe Invasion-Occupation..but __war?
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:06 PM
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27. We are very close to showing up at your front door, NBC.
Soon, methinks.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:50 PM
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28. Feb. 15 was "largest peace march in decades"???
Try "largest peach march in fucking history."

Stupid-ass.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 10:12 PM
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30. Peace Rules
MSNBC headline is so damn misleading.

Anti-War Movement Still Alive and Well

O8)
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 11:43 PM
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31. You tell'em Will.
Gheeze....where have they been?
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