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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 07:25 AM
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AlterNet: Now I Understand Why They Hate Us
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 07:25 AM by marmar
Now I Understand Why They Hate Us

By David Hilfiker, AlterNet. Posted January 12, 2009.

How a middle-class white guy came to accept the evil embedded in American political and military might.



Shortly after the attacks of 9/11, many American voices raised the question, "Why do they hate us?" The "they," in this case, was Muslim fundamentalists, but the same question could have been asked of South American peasants, of the people of Iraq or Iran, of the poor of India or Indonesia, or, indeed, of the poor anywhere.

In fact, "they" don't only hate us; the feelings of people around the world toward the United States are a complex mixture of positive and negative. On the one hand, for instance, much of the rest of the world is excited by the election of Barack Obama. Almost six years ago, visiting Iraq just before the American invasion, I listened to Iraqis who professed their admiration for much of America and how American democracy has been a "beacon" to the rest of the world. On the other hand, those same Iraqis felt betrayed by the United States that would attack a country that did not threaten it. And by 2008, multiple polls of people around the world revealed a deep anger toward our country: Clear majorities believe us to be the "greatest danger to world peace." My own coming to understand why they hate us has been a painful process, but one I consider important to share with any American who still does not understand.

My Own Conditioning: The City Upon a Hill

I grew up in the 1950s. Americans were still celebrating our critical role in defeating Germany and Japan and, we thought, protecting the world from fascism. Our economy was as big as the combined economies of the rest of the world put together, and we had used some of that economic power through the Marshall Plan to successfully rebuild the economies of war-shattered Europe. We were the rising empire, and we saw ourselves as the world's savior. It seemed to us (middle-class whites) a time of prosperity and suburbanization, an era of magnanimity and cooperation, a period of confidence that our national path would be continuously upward. I remember predictions that our increasing economic productivity would enable us to halve the work week within a generation while still raising our standard of living.

As a society, however, we generally chose not to see the more ominous realities. Few of us reflected upon the wanton destruction of innocent life in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The CIA-instigated overthrow of democratically elected leaders in Iran, Guatemala and elsewhere and, a little later, the assassination attempts on Fidel Castro were only outlandish rumors (that only "the paranoid" believed). The white majority could still ignore segregation. I did not find out about the bizarre, anti-communist antics of Sen. Joe McCarthy until I was in college, a decade later.

Little of our dark side entered my consciousness in the 1950s and early 1960s. Rather, I grew up with the unarticulated sense that our nation was nearing the perfect society; we were "almost there," not so distant from the Kingdom of God. In Puritan Christian terminology, we were the "city upon a hill," "the light of the world" that should not be hidden. God had blessed us; we saw ourselves as exceptional people and exceptionally righteous. In 1963, I hitchhiked from London through Europe to Finland to visit my future wife, and I do not remember feeling surprised that the American flag on my luggage made it easier to get rides. Of course foreigners loved Americans; who wouldn't? ........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/vision/119065/now_i_understand_why_they_hate_us/



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UnrepentantUnitarian Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 07:33 AM
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1. Very thoughtful piece!
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 07:36 AM by UnrepentantUnitarian
A little long, but really hits the mark. Thanks for posting, marmar!

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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 07:44 AM
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2. Right on the money.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 08:02 AM
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3. Wow, can this article get to our PE eyes.. Seriously, he seems unconcerned about
the military industrial complex... which needs to wind down.. take out all the bases and use the money for something better. You can't do both, kill and promote peace.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 09:29 AM
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4. I hope you're worrying too much.
How can we honestly know whether or not he's worried about the military industrial complex, this early in the game?
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:24 AM
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5. So many people make things so complicated
and, very likely, wrong.


The way I see it, if we really wanted to know why they hate us, all we had to do was ask.

Did we? Who knows...


I guess it was just too convenient to say that "they hate us for our freedoms". That way we get to be Victims because we're being hated for something none of us wants to give up. Even though our government succeeded in taking away some of our freedoms anyway, and people didn't care because giving up some of those freedoms meant we'd somehow be "safer" even though we really aren't any safer.

The fearmongers made us all afraid, then they capitalized on our fears because it was to their benefit...rather than changing our policies and the way we treat others in the world.

They "hate us for our freedoms" is probably one of the biggest lies ever told to so many people.

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 11:09 AM
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6. I will bold and second your blatant common sense statement
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 11:10 AM by Uncle Joe
"The way I see it, if we really wanted to know why they hate us, all we had to do was ask."

I also agree re: the freedoms lie.

Our government has done more to damage the American People's freedom than other entity on the planet.

Just as a constrictor snake slowly tightens it's suffocating grip every time it's prey exhales.

This is virtually always done on behalf of protecting the people from them selves. But if anyone cares to look past the surface, some mega corporation or industry is usually pulling the strings as a means to empower that corporation over the free will of the people.

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 02:59 PM
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7. Exactly the opposite of my own experience, though
I grew up in the 1950's, when worldwide resentment of the United States was an active and growing force. Pictures showing "Yankee go home" scrawled on walls in Europe were common, even in the children's books I read, as Germans and others began to wonder whether the American forces stationed among them would ever leave. Books like "The Ugly American" (1958) and films like "Hiroshima, Mon Amour" (1960) drew attention to the unpopularity of Americans overseas, as did Nixon's trip to Venezuela in 1958, where he was assaulted by an angry mob.

Although I was just 13 at the start of 1960, I was aware of all these events from my regular reading of Mad Magazine, which served the same function for young Americans then as the Daily Show does now.

Even earlier, Joe McCarthy's witchhunts were a source of fear for my family. I did not find out until just a few years ago that people my parents knew had been called before HUAC to testify, or that my parents had been afraid that if HUAC got its hands on a mailing list which included my mother's name, my father could lose his job. But the atmosphere of fear in 1952-53 had a deep impact on me -- and I took a half-guilty pleasure a few years later to see a dying Joe McCarthy painfully hauling himself around on crutches.

By 1959-60, I was seriously unsure of how much longer I could continue to call myself an American if things got any worse. It was only the election of John Kennedy that gave me any hope of a change for the better -- and even as I lost faith again in the Kennedy and then the Johnson administrations, the appearance of a large number of members of my own generation who felt the way I did gave me faith that I could continue to work, as an American, for change in America, no matter how bad things got.

There have been some tough times since, then, but even during the worst abuses of the Reagan administration, I never despaired of my country the way I had in 1959 -- and the Bush years have, if anything, deepened my faith that America carries within itself the resources to renew itself.

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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 03:21 PM
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8. "Page not found." Anyone got a working link?
The article sounded interesting. Does anyone have a working link to this story?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 08:42 PM
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10. Here:
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 05:19 PM
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9. Isn't is possible that they hate us because we're Christians...
I mean it's not that radical of an idea, plenty of Americans hate them because they're Muslims. Is it possible we're overcomplicating this?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 08:52 PM
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11. No, not really
because other Christian countries aren't hated so much. For instance:



from an April 2008 poll for the BBC
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 10:57 AM
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12. Well, at least we're a head of North Korea,
so we have that going for us.
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