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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 11:54 AM
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Republicans are Pathological Liars
Moody's on Stimulus Package

This was issued two days ago, so the information is about the effects of different types of stimulus, not an analysis of the plan that came out today. Now unlike the Heritage Foundation, Moody’s reputation is built on their unbiased analysis.

While the President’s nonrefundable tax rebate would help the struggling economy, a refundable rebate would be substantially more helpful. In a refundable tax rebate—favored by most Democrats—all households would receive the same size check regardless of how much they owe in income taxes. For example, at a cost of $100 billion, every U.S. household could receive a $900 check. The extra boost would come via the spending of households with very low incomes, who wouldn’t receive a nonrefundable rebate since they typically don’t owe income taxes. Moreover, higher income households that are more likely to save their rebate checks would receive less under a refundable plan.

So in their analysis, providing support to those who don’t pay federal income tax is a better stimulus if you provide rebates. Now on to the key component in the eyes of the Heritage Foundation, the bonus deprecation, here is Moody’s take,

The economic bang-for-the-buck of bonus depreciation is very modest (see table).<7> Indeed, of all the tax and spending policies considered, it provides the least amount of stimulus. Such incentives offer a limited boost because many businesses have difficulty quickly adjusting long-planned capital budgets. Moreover, most investment is made by businesses with no tax liability in the first place. Investment incentives also complicate matters for financially pressed state governments that base their business taxes on federal tax law.

Ouch, that has got to hurt.

Unfortunately the plan that was worked out today did not include an extension of unemployment insurance or increase in food stamp funding. This is very unfortunate as Moody’s, along with Joseph Stiglitz as reported yesterday, have said this is the best investment,

Extending unemployment insurance and expanding food stamps are the most effective ways to prime the economy’s pump. A $1 increase in UI benefits generates an estimated $1.64 in near-term GDP; increasing food stamp payments by $1 boosts GDP by $1.73 (see table). People who receive these benefits are very hard-pressed and will spend any financial aid they receive within a few weeks. These programs are also already operating, and a benefit increase can be quickly delivered to recipients.

The benefit of extending unemployment insurance goes beyond simply providing financial aid for the jobless, to more broadly shoring up household confidence. Nothing is more psychologically debilitating, even to those still employed, than watching unemployed friends and relatives lose benefits.

On the topic of permanent tax cuts for the investor class, Moody’s doesn’t think that is particularly effective,

Making permanent the current dividend income and capital gain tax rates would also be poor economic stimulus. The current 15% tax rate that most investors currently pay is set to soon expire and tax rates will jump. There is an argument that making them permanent would create some certainty for investors, who are currently uncertain about prospects for the stock and bond markets. But whatever the longer-term benefits, the near-term economic boost would be small. The problems plaguing financial markets are broad and deep and unlikely to be measurably affected by such a policy change. Moreover, even assuming with the most favorable financial markets, the stimulus potential of such a move is small; each $1 in net cost to the Treasury produces only 37 cents worth of GDP, according to our model.

Here is their very nice table that is referenced.



http://endtheecho.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/moodys-on-economic-stimulus-package/
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 12:03 PM
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1. Likewise, both parties totally ignore the CBO Report which
indicated the last GWB Tax Cut DID NOT WORK or did not accomplish
the desired goals.
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 12:04 PM
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2. For Republicans, Politics is Kabuki Theater

They're selling a flawed product, and they have to use legerdemain to receive votes!
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 12:17 PM
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3. It should be pointed out...
...that that "this was issued two days ago" is from the article itself... and was true when it was printed. A year ago.

Not that that has any impact on what the figures mean, but just for clarity.
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NewEnglandKnowledge Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 12:20 PM
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4. Tax Rebates
Isn't intuitive that the only people who will spend the rebates are lower income people. The upper middle and wealthy already have money to spend and in my experience they love saving money so when they get unexpected funds they don't spend it.
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Moostache Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 12:24 PM
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5. My suggestion...as amateur and useless as it is...
Edited on Mon Feb-02-09 12:27 PM by Moostache
1) Strip all tax cuts out of the recovery bill immediately. (Republicans don't want to work and play nice with others? Then it is time to take away their toys and send them to "time-out" to think about it...remove everything that they wanted in the bill and ramrod it through Congress with all speed.)

2) Replace tax cuts with increased public spending on social programs, aid to states and infrastructure ENHANCEMENT NOT REPAIRS

We need to be smart about this...we have a massive need for SUSTAINABLE, LONG-TERM employment opportunities - not a jobs program for a couple years, but a much needed return to the days of actual PRODUCTION and NOT CONSUMPTION as the basis for the economy. We need to transform America, not put a Band-Aid on a sucking chest wound! The planning, building and maintaining of a new public transportation system - transforming the interstate highway system to the realities of the 21st century (ie. ACCEPTING the fact that we need a non-petroleum transportation system of high-speed rail and electrification of the commuter vehicle) - could provide one leg of such an endeavor.)

3) Invest HEAVILY in battery technology, local renewable energy production, distribution and capture and energy research projects.

4) Nationalize the banking system and FIRE everyone above middle management in ALL of them...then ban them from ever again being licensed to hold employment in financial circles ever again...and at the same time reinstate EVERY SINGLE regulatory law that has been repealed or changed over the past 25 years. Once the bad books have been acknowledged and the bad debts written off to the extent that shareholders, bondholders and investors of any ilk are wiped out, spin the industry back into priveate hands, just with all the former regulations and watchdog agencies back in place and strengthened about 5-fold over what they WERE, not what they ARE now...

Would it work? No one really knows...not even the so-called "experts"...but I can guarantee this much, it wouldn't do anything worse than what has already been done and has a better chance at helping than harming. When I was young and touched a hot pan (burning my hand and terrifying my mother), I quickly learned that doing that AGAIN would be a very bad idea - for both my hand and my bottom! I do not need to see tax cuts again fail to stimulate anything to understand that same basic principle at work once again!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 04:32 PM
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6. why not raise the minimum wage to a living wage and permanently index it?
that wouldn't cost a thing from the treasury.
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