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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 08:41 PM
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H-1B, offshoring supporters get key Obama Administration posts
Edited on Wed Feb-04-09 08:47 PM by OhioChick
Commerce nominee Judd Gregg believes H-1Bs help create jobs for U.S. workers

February 3, 2009 (Computerworld) WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama has filled some of his top White House posts with people who not only support expanding the H-1B visa program, but also see offshore outsourcing as a plus for the U.S. economy. That group includes the president's new pick to run the Commerce Department, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.).

But another one of Obama's choices, Diana Farrell, may be just as important in shaping White House policy. The former director of the McKinsey Global Institute, McKinsey & Co.'s economics research arm, Farrell has been tapped to serve on the National Economic Council and as deputy economic adviser to the president.

McKinsey, a management consulting firm, has published research that argues that offshore outsourcing to low-wage countries brings "substantial benefits" to the U.S. Its studies and reports have been cited by the tech industry in support of the H-1B visa program.

Farrell may have the president's ear, but it's Gregg, as Commerce Secretary, who may well become the White House lead for expanding the cap on H-1B visas, a position Gregg strongly supported in the Senate. Obama voiced support early in his campaign for increasing the 85,000-visa cap, which includes 20,000 visas set aside for advanced-degree graduates from U.S. universities. But he has not addressed the issue in recent months.

In a talk last April at the Cato Institute, a libertarian policy research group, Gregg pointed to comments by Bill Gates that for every H-1B worker who comes to the U.S., five jobs are created. Gates, who was still Microsoft's chairman at the time, had made the comments the month before, during an appearance before a U.S. House committee.

"It's not like... we are taking jobs from Americans, which is what you hear from labor unions. We're actually creating jobs by bringing bright people into this country," Gregg said in a video on the Cato Institute's Web site.

Many in Congress are divided on the H-1B issue, Senate Republicans especially. For instance, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) believes H-1B workers are being used to displace Americans.

Gregg acknowledged that there has been some abuse in the H-1B program, "especially involving Indian-related companies and their basic flooding of the market in this area and then having people return to India with knowledge that they gained here." But, he argued, that's an issue "that can be corrected fairly easily with minor adjustments in the program."

Indian offshore firms are the largest users of H-1B visas and consider it critical to their delivery model for moving IT functions offshore. It's a point they have made repeatedly in U.S. Security and Exchange Commission filings.

Some observers are critical of Obama's appointments. Ron Hira, an assistant professor of public policy at the Rochester Institute of Technology and author of Outsourcing America, said the Gregg and Farrell picks indicate that Obama "is either ignorant or naive about the real job market for American IT workers. He is doing his level best, with these appointments, to undermine American workers and their livelihoods."

The IT job market has been shrinking, and most major IT vendors have announced layoffs. Among them is Microsoft, which is laying off 5,000 workers.

The idea that five new workers are hired for each H-1B position came from a report by the National Foundation for American Policy in Arlington, Va. Released just before Gates' spoke last year, the report analyzed publicly accessible Web-based help-wanted ads and H-1B use.

The five-jobs-per-H-1B-worker claim, said Hira, "is so absurd that Mr. Gregg should be laughed out of the room. This is the kind of thoughtful leadership that Mr. Obama is bringing us?"

Tech industry groups praised Gregg's appointment in statements. TechNet, a bipartisan political network of tech-centric CEOs, said Gregg "will no doubt be a strong ambassador for America's workers, businesses and our dynamic economy."

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9127276&intsrc=hm_list

Wonderful. :eyes:
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 08:49 PM
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1. Is Obama surrounding himself with idiots to make himself look good?
This contradicts everything his campaign stood for ... just sayin'
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 08:50 PM
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2. So much for "Change", huh? n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 08:50 PM
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3. We're screwed. n/t
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 08:53 PM
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4. The more things Change We Can Believe In, the more they stay the same n/t
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 09:03 PM
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5. More disheartening news.
:(

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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 09:13 PM
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6. then his plans to reinvigorate the economy wont work
offshoring got us into this mess, the easy-credit fix was just a bandaid to cover the real bloodletting
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 09:16 PM
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7. Bingo!
BTW....Welcome to DU. :hi:
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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:49 AM
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10. thank you!!
:toast:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 09:26 PM
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8. We should lobby for a bill that ANY time layoffs occur, NO H-1B employees allowed for a year...
Edited on Wed Feb-04-09 09:26 PM by cascadiance
... for that company.

So, that way, if a company wants to hire H-1B visa people they better think twice if they want the option to lay off people now... Then they can truly argue that the H-1B is about "expanding" their workforce, if they KNOW they're not going to lay off American workers. How many would hire H-1B Visa people? Probably not much then!
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D-Lee Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:18 PM
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9. Yuk! Read this article
This analysis, by a former Regan Treasury official, contends that the foreign worker visas and outsources have definitely impaired job availability in America and the drying up of entry level jobs over recent years, the spots from which employees used to "grow" upward: http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts03062006.html

Please read the article, it is really informative and shows that what the US has been left with is lower level jobs which do not need a college education.

One other effect? Lots of student loans to graduates who can't get jobs, with the lenders getting default interest rates ...
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:52 AM
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11. If you would have done some research before the election you
wouldn't be so 'surprised' now.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 11:17 AM
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12. I did. HRC's stances on outsourcing/H-1B's were much worse than Obama's. n/t
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:16 PM
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13. Then you know (knew) that Obama loved him some outsourcers
too.

He made a lot of promises that were contradicted by his record.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:20 PM
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14. Obama said he'd bring in H-1B's only "if needed"
HRC said she'd raise the cap regardless.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:28 PM
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15. He 'fibbed'. Surprise!
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 06:33 PM
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18. Sucks being my soon to be hungry kids either way, huh? n/t
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 07:10 PM
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20. If he doesn't hold true to his campaign promises...
made to labor unions and tech workers, he will be a one-term president.

His actions, now, could very well split the party into two.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:12 PM
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16. If I cared about rejoining the Rat Race, I'd be concerned...
But after seeing a 25 year career in IT outsourced and destroyed by greedy, fraudulent companies and government policies, I have no intention of ever working for anyone else, including the Government that takes my earning in Taxes to wage unprovoked wars of aggression, inflate our way to a lower standard of living, and promotes a broken health care system.

The talent overseas is starting to chafe at the yoke of their new found "Prosperity". Just do a Google search of "Hyderabad" and "Bomb" and you'll see that these shining citadels of high tech Corporatism are starting to experience Blowback.

Meanwhile, the labor force in the United States is taught that they are expendable, and they better watch their behavior lest they lose everything they've beeen indoctrinated into believing in, which is get a job, pay taxes, spend what's left over which is not enough somehow, regardless of how much they earn. Borrow, go into debt, and settle into the endgame of debt slavery, and the slow death it produces through stress coupled with a toxic diet that is chemically enhanced to make it tast "Delicious".

Furthermore, with the collapse of Satyam, and potentially Infosys on it's heels, there are going to be a lot of pissed off IT workers in India if the H1-B visa program were to scale back. The Indian government is now dealing with Enron style accounting in it's own neighborhood, and believe me, the citizens still know how to use a pitchfork.

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 05:00 PM
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17. Republicans = Economic Terrorists. n/t
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 07:04 PM
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19. I am becoming very skeptical of Obama. Maybe I bought a pig in the poke.
I worked for this guy and sent him money that I couldn't really afford since I live on a fixed income. These choices really surprise and aggravate me. Why the hell is he choosing Republicans instead of Democrats to fill important positions?

Doesn't he get it after EVERY Republican in the House voted against his stimulus package and only want more tax cuts. What in the hell does Obama think people without a damn job are going to do with tax cuts? Compromise? How in the hell do you compromise with the devil? The Republicans elite along with their brain dead working class Republicans botlickers have succeeded in destroying the Middle Class. This war for God's sake not some damn Kumbaya campfire sing along.
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