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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:14 PM
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Don't believe the historians and economists who say America's best days are behind us.
http://www.slate.com/id/2210619/

Declining Declinism
Don't believe the historians and economists who say America's best days are behind us.
By Daniel Gross
Updated Saturday, Feb. 7, 2009, at 7:12 AM ET


The dumb, willfully blind optimists who dominated the late boom have slunk into exile. They've been replaced by the ardent declinists, the bears, and the prophetic historians, armed with copies of Gibbon and Malthus and wielding reams of data. There are economists predicting double-digit unemployment through 2011, with the housing and stock markets reeling through 2010. Historians, meanwhile, warn that the United States may be losing some of its capitalistic essence as the government increases its involvement in the financial sector. At Davos, Niall Ferguson, a brilliant, young, Oxford-educated, Ivy League-employed historian (Harvard), said the United States isn't in another Great Depression but rather a "Great Repression," in deep denial of its problems. The go-go Age of Leverage is over, and a go-slow Age of Big Government has begun. High levels of debt, imperial overreach, and heightened government influence in the economy mean the United States is in for a Japan-style lost decade, in which it could struggle to chart growth of 1 percent.

Economic prognostication is hamstrung by a tendency to extrapolate from recent trends far into the future. It happens at the top of a cycle—the Dow is going to 36,000! Housing prices will never fall!—and it happens when we plunge into a ditch.

But haven't we heard some of this before? Twenty years ago, another young, Oxford-educated, Ivy League-employed historian (Yale) argued that America's best days were behind it, thanks to imperial overreach, excessive debt, and an epic financial bust. Paul Kennedy's Rise and Fall of the Great Powers was a best-seller when it was published in 1987—and went into paperback just as the Unites States was beginning to emerge from the Cold War as the world's only superpower and the hub of a globally integrated trading system.

The cry of creeping socialism has likewise echoed (falsely) through the decades. In 1935, the day after Franklin Roosevelt delivered a fireside chat about the need for Social Security and other regulations, a U.S. Chamber of Commerce official accused Roosevelt of trying to "Sovietize America." The medical profession—and Ronald Regan—swore up and down that the passage of Medicare and Medicaid would transform the United States into an English-speaking version of the USSR. Those who fret about an era of slow socialism presume that our government is incapable of learning from mistakes and crafting intelligent policies. The prospect of an enhanced safety net wasn't incompatible with growth in the 1930s and 1960s, and it isn't now. And today, state ownership and control of private enterprise is a temporary last resort, not an enduring governing strategy. In Europe's social democracies, CEOs frequently welcomed government involvement because it protected them from competition. By contrast, U.S. managers can't wait to get out from under the government yoke. Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley have already started talking about how they plan to pay back the bailout money before the end of this year—so they can pay out humongous bonuses next January.

Things have been going downhill in America since the very beginning: Imagine the economic forecasts made in Plymouth in the bitter winter of 1619. In the early 1990s, a recession lengthened, executives took huge paychecks while firing thousands of workers, and Americans began to lose faith in the capitalist systems. No economist or historian stood up and predicted that globalization, intelligent fiscal and monetary policy, and this thing called the Internet would launch the United States into an unprecedented era of growth, prosperity, and rising asset prices.

Every mutual fund or investment product comes with the caveat that past performance is no guarantee of future performance. But when it comes to the economy at large, nearly 400 years of American history have shown that it can be a pretty good guide.


A version of this article appeared in Newsweek.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:46 PM
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1. The best news I can imagine: an end to economic growth
perhaps this is out of place, and perhaps premature. But I think the best overall approach to "the best days of America" is to find a way to have them regardless of a shrinking economy. Life may be enjoyed without an increase in GDP and with a distressing amount of unemployment. The customary remedy of which, lacking a way to appreciate a declining economy, is war.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:59 PM
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2. Well, all the other empires declined and collapsed.
And Kennedy was not speaking on a time scale of two decades or so. It is certainly true that intelligent and coherent government policy can make a huge difference, but intelligent and coherent government policy leads to the dissolution of imperial practice in favor of dialog and cooperation.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:07 AM
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3. Oxford-educated, Ivy League-employed historian (Harvard)
*tsk*

Poor kid, he's already got three strikes against him.

I'll save him a spot down at the soup line.



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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 03:29 AM
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4. Who Is This Idiot, And Why Would Anyone Give Him a Place In the Forum?
The current economic disaster will not go away because he says it isn't so.

I have no doubt that the US will recover--but maybe not in my lifetime, and if the GOP doesn't STFU, not in my daughter's either. Since she's only 21, that is of great concern to me.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:18 AM
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5. This 'idiot's' bio...and I don't recall him
writing it will 'go away', just that perhaps some people may be overreacting to it. Whatever; it is an opinion piece and I see you have yours.


Daniel Gross is an American journalist, and writes for Slate's "Moneybox" column, for the New York Times's "Economic View" column. Since 2007 Gross is a senior editor at Newsweek, where he writes the "Contrary Indicator" column.<1> He attended Cornell University and holds an A.M. in American history from Harvard University.<2> He is the author of four books: Forbes Greatest Business Stories of All Time (Wiley, 1996); Bull Run: Wall Street, the Democrats, and the New Politics of Personal Finance (PublicAffairs, 2000); Generations of Corning: 150 Years in the Life of a Global Corporation, 1851-2001 (Oxford University Press, 2001), co-authored with Davis Dyer; and Pop!: Why Bubbles Are Great For The Economy (Collins, 2007).
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:10 PM
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6. thank you babylonsister. Very interesting read! n/t
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