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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:46 AM
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Instead of stimulus, do nothing – seriously
Hmmm. I see this guy still has a job.


Instead of stimulus, do nothing – seriously
Stimulus is unconstitutional. And history shows that the economy can recover strongly on its own, if politicians stay out of the way.
By Robert Higgs

from the February 9, 2009 edition


Oakland, Calif. - As we wait to see how the politicians in Washington will alter the stimulus package the Obama administration is pushing, many questions are being raised about the measure's contents and efficacy. Should it include money for the National Endowment for the Arts, Amtrak, and child care? Is it big enough to get the economy moving again? Does it spend money fast enough? Hardly anyone, however, is asking the most important question: Should the federal government be doing any of this?

In raising this question, one risks immediate dismissal as someone hopelessly out of touch with the modern realities of economics and government. Yet the United States managed to navigate the first century and a half of its past – a time of phenomenal growth – without any substantial federal intervention to moderate economic booms and busts. Indeed, when the government did intervene actively, under Herbert Hoover and Franklin D. Roosevelt, the result was the Great Depression.

Until the 1930s, the Constitution served as a major constraint on federal economic interventionism. The government's powers were understood to be just as the framers intended: few and explicitly enumerated in our founding document and its amendments. Search the Constitution as long as you like, and you will find no specific authority conveyed for the government to spend money on global-warming research, urban mass transit, food stamps, unemployment insurance, Medicaid, or countless other items in the stimulus package and, even without it, in the regular federal budget.

This Constitutional constraint still operated as late as the 1930s, when federal courts issued some 1,600 injunctions to restrain officials from carrying out acts of Congress, and the Supreme Court overturned the New Deal's centerpieces, the National Industrial Recovery Act and the Agricultural Adjustment Act, and other statutes. This judicial action outraged President Roosevelt, who fumed that "we have been relegated to the horse-and-buggy definition of interstate commerce." Early in 1937, he responded with his court-packing plan.

Although Roosevelt lost this battle, he soon won the war. As the older, more conservative justices retired, the president replaced them with ardent New Dealers such as Hugo Black, Stanley Reed, Felix Frankfurter, and William O. Douglas. The newly constituted court proceeded between 1937 and 1941 to overturn its anti-New Deal rulings, abandoning its traditional, narrow view of interstate commerce and giving the federal government carte blanche to spend, tax, and regulate virtually without limit.

After World War II, the government enacted the Employment Act of 1946, codifying the government's declared responsibility for managing the economy "to promote maximum employment, production, and purchasing power," and it has actively intervened ever since, purportedly to attain these declared ends. Its shots have often misfired, however, and we have endured booms and busts, a decade of stagflation, bouts of rapid inflation, and stock-market crashes. The present recession may become the worst since the passage of the Employment Act.

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0209/p09s01-coop.html
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:48 AM
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1. LOL! Has this guy ever read about the depression?
If FDR had not stepped in and helped the people, there would have been a Communist/Fascist populist uprising against the capitalists (which sounds really good right about now.) The elites were afraid for their lives and afraid for the future of Capitalism. Capitalists have been spoiled over the last 20 years by Reagan/Clinton/Bush policies and ideas. They think they are untouchable.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:15 AM
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2. Capitalism could not survive
without state supporting it and upholding monopoly of violence to protect "private property" (ie. accumulation of capitalistic thievery).
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:29 PM
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3. Now I'm totally fucking confused. My main man Krugman says one thing. This guy
says another. Obama says another.

As far as the FDR New Deal saving the capitalists. I thought they fought FDR tooth and nail to keep him from implementing many of the New Deal provisions. How is that protecting capitalism?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:36 PM
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5. They were his allies in the beginning (he was one of them after all.)
However, they rallied against him for his second term and hated him ever since. Fuck, they even tried to incite a revolt against him.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:37 PM
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6. Don't believe this guy. I posted this because it sounded so
'out there' to me. He's definitely in the minority. How will doing nothing help people who are unemployed with no possibility of getting their job back?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:03 PM
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7. While I agree that he sounds "out there" to me also, often the minority position is
proven to have been the correct one. Anyone recognize the name Nouriel Roubini?

As always, we are in the position of trying to make good decisions with not enough good information or too much bad information.

I would like to think that President Obama is getting good information, but judging from the sources of some of his information I am not so sure.

But I still HOPE.

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:36 PM
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4. We Have Indeed Learned the Lessons of the Great Depression
As Herbert Hoover taught us, continue to depend on the efforts of "voluntarism" to restore growth.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:33 PM
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8. Hoover sucked.
Nothing wrong with volunteerism, but in a society ran by money, human cannot live by working for free. This is called "slavery".


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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 05:05 PM
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9. This idiot would have us all go back to the Lochner Era
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