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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:41 PM
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Our Afghan War for Pipeline & Poppy Fields
"There is only one thing in this world, and that is to keep acquiring money and more money, power and more power. All the rest is meaningless."

Napoleon Bonaparte


Former Senator Fritz Hollings wrote a piece for the Huffington Post asking why we are still in Afghanistan since our wars are producing more terrorists than they kill. He started off well, but sidestepped the geopolitic grown up talk that America never had about why we killed a million Iraqis and whey we are still in Afghanistan.

It certainly has nothing to do with threats to our security. If that was the case, we would have invaded North Korea after they fired missiles over Japan.

And it had nothing to do with 9/11 since al Qaeda was financed and given logistical support by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, the latter going as far as evacuating top al Qaeda leaders from Tora Bora when we had them cornered there.

If we didn't go after those two nations, it's hard to believe that having our troops in Afghanistan has anything to do with 9/11.

Instead, it is more likely we are in Afghanistan because someone thinks they can make a lot of money there, from the Trans Afghanistan Pipeline and so Wall Street can continue to collect the income from the Heroin poppies, just as the British did when they tried to force Afghan opium on the Chinese way back in the Opium War, and just as Bush was trying to force oil laws favorable to oil companies on Iraq, so they could collect up to 88% of the income from Iraq's tens of trillion of dollars worth of oil.

Energy companies courting the Taliban for a pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan and Pakistan to take natural gas to India ended shortly before 9/11. In 2006, India was concerned about continuing the project until America gave assurances that we would protect the pipeline.

The drug story is even less well-known, though the New York Times did cover the story of the Afghan president's brother being one of the largest drug smugglers in the country.

When Britain controlled Afghanistan, they owned the poppy trade. When the French owned Indochina, they owned the poppy trade there. Once we allied with the fundamentalists in Afghanistan in the 80's, drugs started flowing out of there, through Pakistan, and to the US. Do you suppose our leaders and business people are so pure they aren't getting a cut of that?

Wall Street has a bad habit of covering up their incompetence as businessmen with drug money.
The BCCI money laundering scandal involved some of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the country, profiting from drug trafficking and handling money for terrorists. The New York Times and even PBS has even covered this drug money laundering business, and if you googled the name of your favorite big bank, you would more likely than not find they have been involved.

John Kerry has documented CIA drug dealing, confirming the work of San Jose Mercury News Reporter, Gary Webb's uncovering of the Contras selling cocaine that flooded America's inner cities. The CIA itself has an odd history of picking a fair number of directors who came not from the intelligence community but from Wall Street or corporations. Like corporate lawyer John Foster Dulles or oil man George HW Bush. So it would make sense that the agency is looking after business more than our security.

It is about money. I appreciate Hollings asking the question, but he should have provided part of the real answer too.

And I guess it would be too much to ask that our new president set aside the propaganda bullshit about our various military operations, tell us who profits from them, and what if anything the average American gets out of them, so we could make an informed decision about whether to support killing people in dirt huts with our troops and our tax dollars, and nineteen and twenty year old American kids coming home in aluminum coffins.

http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2009/02/were-fighting-to-hold-afghanistan.html">version with supporting links
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:46 PM
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1. It's a hell of a better reson than what they are offering up officially.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:48 PM
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2. which is essentially ''we're there because we're there'' much like Iraq until the Iraqis showed us
the door.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:56 AM
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10. Thank you - a voice of reason. K&R n/t
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:48 PM
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3. Having done a great deal of snooping in dark corners(and
folks volunteering info) this is only the tip of the dirty dirty sh t that the Rfascist/money bunch is party too. Dead cops who tried to blow the whistle, drumming of Gary Webb out of journalism......this stuff stretches from sea to shining sea and far far beyond.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 05:01 PM
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4. Capitalism has always had a deep affinity for drug money.
Tobacco, alcohol, sugar, opium, tea, coffee, and that's just the beginning of the recreational stuff. The British Empire was built on tobacco, sugar, tea, and opium. Nothing else really provides those spiffy returns on your investment over the long run.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:36 AM
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5. someone wrote a disturbing piece that summed it up: two ships pull into port...
One full of sugar, one full of heroin.

Which ship sells its cargo for more? Who has more money to bribe politicians? Who gets more from politicians? And so on down the line.

I think there's a course in MBA programs where they teach you how to cost out whether it's more profitable to do a business legally or illegally. If someone was doing that on tobacco today, they would be happier if it was illegal because they could avoid all the liability lawsuits.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:50 AM
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6. k & R. n/t
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Left Coast2020 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 01:45 AM
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7. Is someone insuating that Obama is staying for future profits?
Or am I not making a connection here? How can this be the case? He doesn't have (that I know of) ties to anyone or any organized crime. Bush was more the corrupted one since he was a failed business person. I would have said leader, but he failed at that too. But I don't see the motive for this administration to keep us in Afganistan. Please tell me I'm misreading something here. We should not be there. I voted for this dude with the thought we were getting out of the war business.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:36 AM
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9. Some self-governing entities never change, no matter who's in charge.
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 08:37 AM by chill_wind
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:42 AM
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8. K&R
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:11 AM
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11. 2010 ("The Afghan Pipeline You Don't Know About ". The Nation)


…and speaking of oil, just when we were barely getting used to Big Oil and Iraq hitting the front pages of American newspapers in tandem, here comes Afghanistan! Who now remembers that delegation of Taliban officials, shepherded by Unocal ("We're an oil and gas company. We go where the oil and gas is…"), back in 1999, that made an all-expenses paid visit to the U.S. There was even that side trip to Mt. Rushmore, while the company (with U.S. encouragement) was negotiating a $1.9 billion pipeline that would bring Central Asian oil and natural gas through Afghanistan to Pakistan? Oh, and who was a special consultant to Unocal on the prospective deal? Zalmay Khalilzad, our present neocon ambassador to the U.N., George W. Bush's former viceroy of Kabul and then Baghdad, and a rumored future "Afghan" presidential candidate.

Those pipeline negotiations only broke down definitively in August 2001, one month before, well, you know… and, as Toronto's Globe and Mail columnist Lawrence Martin put it, "Washington was furious, leading to speculation it might take out the Taliban. After 9/11, the Taliban, with good reason, were removed -- and pipeline planning continued with the Karzai government. U.S. forces installed bases near Kandahar, where the pipeline was to run. A key motivation for the pipeline was to block a competing bid involving Iran, a charter member of the 'axis of evil.'"

Well, speak of the dead and not-quite-buried. It turns out that, in April, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India (acronymically TAPI) signed a Gas Pipeline Framework Agreement to build a U.S.-backed $7.6 billion pipeline. It would, of course, bypass Iran and new energy giant Russia, carrying Turkmeni natural gas and oil to Pakistan and India. Construction would, theoretically, begin in 2010. Put the emphasis on "theoretically," because the pipeline is, once again, to run straight through Kandahar and so directly into the heartland of the Taliban insurgency.



more:
The Afghan Pipeline You Don't Know About
posted by Tom Engelhardt on 07/07/2008 @ 1:23pm

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/335023

alternate links to find the Globe & Mail link (Lawrence Martin)-- "Big Oil Pumps Up the Ugly Afghan and Iraqi Mix"

down the page of bulletins
http://www.afghanemb-canada.net/en/news_bulletin/2008/july/04/index.php

http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=7042



Pipeline Opens New Front In Afghan War

22/06/2008

Afghanistan and three of its neighbouring countries have agreed to build a $7.6-billion (U.S.) pipeline that would deliver natural gas from Turkmenistan to energy-starved Pakistan and India - a project running right through the volatile Kandahar province - raising questions about what role Canadian Forces may play in defending the project.

To prepare for proposed construction in 2010
, the Afghan government has reportedly given assurances it will clear the route of land mines, and make the path free of Taliban influence.

In a report to be released today, energy economist John Foster says the pipeline is part of a wider struggle by the United States to counter the influence of Russia and Iran over energy trade in the region.

The so-called Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India pipeline has strong support from Washington because the U.S. government is eager to block a competing pipeline that would bring gas to Pakistan and India from Iran.

see: http://www.aprodex.com/pipeline-opens-new-front-in-afghan-war-1028-n.aspx



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Taliban representatives in Texas, 1997.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:47 PM
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12. is that a picture of the Taliban or Evangelical Broadcasters Association convention?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 01:27 PM
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14. Heh. :-)
I think it's the brand new GOP call-to-arms response to the stimulus package.

"We are ALL Taliban now!"

here's the story source with the pic(history commons timeline):

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a120497texasvisit&scale=2#a120497texasvisit
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 01:00 PM
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13. added your links and gave you props on my blog version of this. LINK
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 01:29 PM
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15. Thnx-- not the least necessary. Sobering picture, though.
Thanks for the link. Reading now.
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