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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:54 PM
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'Nationalize' the Banks
Nouriel Roubini is always dressed in black-and-white.

I have known him for nearly two years, and have seen him in a variety of situations -- en route to class at New York University's Stern Business School, where he's a professor; over a glass of wine in his boyish loft in Manhattan's Tribeca; at an academic conference, seated sagely on the dais; at a bohemian party in Greenwich Village, at . . . oh . . . 3 a.m. -- and he always, always wears a black suit with a white linen shirt.


And so, in black-and-white he was, earlier this week, when he rushed into the office of Roubini Global Economics, his consulting firm in downtown Manhattan, and offered a breathless apology to this correspondent, who'd been waiting for half an hour. "Really sorry I'm late! Charlie Rose taped for way longer than he said he would."

Mr. Roubini -- a month short of 50 -- is in huge media demand, the nearest thing to a rock-star among the economists who hold our fate in their hands these days. The peculiar thing, of course, is that he's in demand because he specializes in predictions of gloom. (He has earned himself the sobriquet of "Doctor Doom.") In person, though, he's anything but a downer.

The man has instant impact on public debate. An idea he floated only last week -- that our "zombie banks" be temporarily nationalized -- aired first on Forbes.com, where he writes a weekly column. It has evolved, in the space of just a few days, from radical solution to almost received wisdom.

Last Sunday on ABC, George Stephanopoulos asked Lindsey Graham, the conservative Republican senator, what he thought about all this talk of bank nationalization. Mr. Graham said that he wouldn't take the idea off the table. And on Wednesday, Alan Greenspan told the Financial Times that "it may be necessary to temporarily nationalize some banks in order to facilitate a swift and orderly restructuring."

Mr. Roubini tells me that bank nationalization "is something the partisans would have regarded as anathema a few weeks ago. But when I and others put it in the context of the Swedish approach -- i.e. you take banks over, you clean them up, and you sell them in rapid order to the private sector -- it's clear that it's temporary. No one's in favor of a permanent government takeover of the financial system."

There's another reason why the concept should appeal to (fiscal) conservatives, he explains. "The idea that government will fork out trillions of dollars to try to rescue financial institutions, and throw more money after bad dollars, is not appealing because then the fiscal cost is much larger. So rather than being seen as something Bolshevik, nationalization is seen as pragmatic. Paradoxically, the proposal is more market-friendly than the alternative of zombie banks."

In any case, Republicans must now temper their reactions, he says. "The kind of government interference in the economy that we saw in the last year of Bush was unprecedented. The central bank -- supposed to be the lender of the last resort -- became the lender of first and only resort! With our recapitalizing of financial institutions, and massive government intervention in the markets, we've already crossed a significant bridge."

So, will the highest level of government be receptive to the bank-nationalization idea? "I think it will," Mr. Roubini says, unhesitatingly. "People like Graham and Greenspan have already given their explicit blessing. This gives Obama cover." And how long will it be before the administration goes in formally for nationalization? "I think that we're going to see the policy adopted in the next few months . . . in six months or so."

That long? I ask. "Six months from now," he replies, "even firms that today look solvent are going to look insolvent. Most of the major banks -- almost all of them -- are going to look insolvent. In which case, if you take them all over all at once, you cause less damage than if you would if you took over a couple now, and created so much confusion and panic and nervousness.

"Between guarantees, liquidity support, and capitalization, the government has provided between $7 trillion to $9 trillion of help to the financial system. De facto, the government is already controlling a good chunk of the banking system. The question is: Do you want to move to the de jure step."

http://www.rgemonitor.com/roubini-monitor/255672/nationalize_the_banks
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:57 PM
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1. Um... the idea is at least as old as the FDIC.
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:59 PM
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2. Nationalize OIL
Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 02:01 PM by billybob537
These mother f$%^&ers have been fucking us for 30 years it's time to screw back.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:08 PM
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5. Yep - National energy company.....Use oil taxes and profits to develop oil-free
energy.....
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:18 PM
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6. We could sieze them just for the royalties they already owe us.
Why doesn't the US require the same amount of tax Alaska does? We should charge them Half thier profit in tax They made the most money any business in history has we could balance the budget, instead of creating 1000 more Billionaires!
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:19 PM
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7. Yep, yep and yep.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:31 AM
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12. And health care
send the oil barons and the illness barons to prison for profiteering. The economy will turn around in 4 months
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:02 PM
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3. What's with this "temporary" stuff - let's just nationalize. And let the hedge funds
drop where they may...

Let's look out for ordinary Americans for once. I imagine the hedge fund bosses will find a way to survive.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:03 PM
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4. If you google his image, I see plenty of suits with diff. color shirts.
This guy is writing him up like he is Bond, James, Bond... he looks like a financial geek and he doesn't always wear black and white.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:44 PM
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8. What is the "central bank"?
In any case, Republicans must now temper their reactions, he says. "The kind of government interference in the economy that we saw in the last year of Bush was unprecedented. The central bank -- supposed to be the lender of the last resort -- became the lender of first and only resort! With our recapitalizing of financial institutions, and massive government intervention in the markets, we've already crossed a significant bridge."
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:22 AM
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11. In the US, it's the Federal Reserve (nt)
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:41 AM
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13. ty ... eom
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Omnibus Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 11:54 PM
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9. Nationalize the health insurance companies.
Renationalize the prisons, too.

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 08:19 AM
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10. Flip this bank!
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 08:19 AM by eridani
I like it! No granite countertops required.
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