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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:49 AM
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"Land of Milk and Money" (American couple has baby in Norway)
"...my wife Katy found out that she was pregnant right about the time I received word that I’d won a Fulbright fellowship. We’d be in Trondheim when our first child was scheduled to arrive.

Naturally, one of our chief worries was getting health care coverage abroad. Katy had been covered by my insurance through the University of Minnesota, but when my teaching assistantship ended, we had to scramble. We called around to Blue Cross and other insurers for rates. Pregnancy is considered a “pre-existing condition,” as if it’s some sort of disease, and no one would have us. Even the health insurance guaranteed through the U.S. Secretary of State’s office for Fulbright grantees excludes pregnancy. Finally, we asked an official at Norwegian University of Science and Technology, where I’d be studying, if we’d be covered by the national Norwegian system. Her response: “I don’t see why not.” We asked if she could send us the proper forms. “There’s really no rush,” she said, “You can just fill them out once you arrive.” Thanks to the health care mess in our own nation, which has conditioned us to be skeptical and nervous, we were panicked by this carefree, almost reckless attitude toward health insurance.

Back in Minnesota, without insurance we would have been facing a hospital bill for at least $5,000 for a normal delivery, or as much as $21,000 for a C-section or other complications—and that wouldn’t even include the physician fees. As it turned out, a simple residency permit for a year in Norway meant that the Norwegian government would take care of us, and cover the considerable expenses involved in having a baby. We received a pamphlet from the Royal Ministry of Health and Social Affairs, which confirmed, “Compulsorily insured under the National Insurance Scheme are all persons resident or working in Norway.”

No wonder Norway has had the highest quality of life among all nations for the last couple of years. “It’s not that we buy more things or have more things, it’s that we are guaranteed a high standard of living,” an American living in Oslo told me. “We don’t have two cars, we take the bus, and we can probably count on one hand the number of times we go out to eat.” While this may not be the American dream of wealth, Norway’s system offers its citizens a degree of stability and certainty unheard of in the U.S.: Your health care, higher education, and pension will be provided by the government, and you won’t be out on the street if you lose your job."


http://www.rakemag.com/features/detail.asp?catID=61&itemID=15314

Oh, I forgot. We can't have this in America. Americans would never stand for it. Besides, we need the money for invading more countries to get "our" oil. :grr:
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:00 PM
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1. When I lived in N Michigan, I shopped in Canada on weekends.
A beautiful 2 1/2 hour drive to Sault Ste. Marie meant low prices and extremely high quality grocery items (Canadians don't believe in depriving citizens of bread, milk, eggs, and other staples because of profit margins!), sensible restaurant prices, and exceptional customer service.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:08 PM
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2. Remember, Bush's Murkans don't get it
Anything that is "socialized" reeks of the Cold War. Too bad we can't learn from other countries.
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:54 PM
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3. Sounds like Paradise!
I only wish more Americans could read articles like this and explore the possibilities.

BTW, my sig URL has some good social democracy links:
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 01:34 PM
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4. Couldn't possibly have this in the USA
The crime rate would go down (to probably close to zero), which would put all those for-profit business people who run so many of the prisons now COMPLETELY OUT OF BUSINESS. Nope, couldn't have that.

Imagine.... burglaries cut waaay down, along with much fewer costs for the "Drug War".... why, we might actually have almost enough money to pay for Universal Health Care with the savings from reduced crime alone.

Naw.... it's a bad idea, right?

:eyes:

Kanary
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:05 PM
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5. and all those..
insurance companies couldn't any longer justify their criminal rates...
Horrible, horrible...
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:19 AM
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7. Plus, who would want insurance if there is little or no crime?nt
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Miss Authoritiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 10:35 PM
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6. I doubt the average American realizes this...
Of all the advanced countries, the United States is by far the stingiest in terms of "social protection" services. But our military power is a wonder of the universe.

Even if average Americans realized this -- after all, the statistics are pretty straightforward -- I wonder how strong and sustained the push would be for a social protection system even approaching what's in place in Europe. I keep getting the feeling that we're pretty much "trained" into believing that it's unacceptable (read: un-American) to believe in such things.

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