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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:47 AM
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Might the recovery be more robust than widely expected? ...most respected pessimist thinks so.

Let the Good Times Roll
Might the recovery be more robust than widely expected? Wall Street’s most respected pessimist thinks so.

* By Hugo Lindgren
* Published Dec 27, 2009


Illustration by André Carrilho

Blessedly, 2009 did not turn out to be the utter catastrophe many once feared it would be—no bank runs, no bread lines, no sport-hunting of the rich. But it’s far from certain whether the worst has been truly averted, or, to use a phrase that became fashionable, the can was merely kicked down the road. The signals are, at best, mixed. Jobs are still being lost, if not at the same wildfire rate. Many small businesses lack credit, not to mention customers. So what lies ahead?

Between the yahoos who tout every market uptick as the stirrings of the next boom and the doom peddlers who cling to their prophecies of societal breakdown, a consensus has cohered around what investment strategist John Mauldin, a hero of the blogosphere, calls “the muddle-through economy,” a protracted period of elevated unemployment rates and sluggish growth. Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke, who once spoke of “green shoots,” now describes the “considerable headwinds” that the economy faces. Goldman Sachs economist Jan Hatzius sees double-digit unemployment persisting through the end of 2011.

Within this school of forecasters, a popular approach is to characterize the United States in terms of other countries’ trademark miseries. So we are Japan— a major Paul Krugman meme—staring down the barrel of our own “lost decade” of deflation, zombie banks, and cultural inertia. Or we are Europe, afflicted by the “sclerosis” of high structural unemployment and gigantic government. Or, as former IMF official Simon Johnson asserts, we are “a banana republic,” debasing our once-mighty currency by recklessly printing it to cover our debts.

But describing current conditions is only part of the game. Correctly calling the next crisis is the great status bake-off of economics. Which is why it was bracing to receive a recent investment newsletter from one of the most distinguished pessimists on Wall Street with this headline: “On the Coming Shortage of Labor.”

It was not a joke.

The bi-weekly newsletter, Grant’s Interest Rate Observer, is published from a picturesque office on Wall Street overlooking Trinity Church. The proprietor is a former journalist turned finance philosopher named James Grant, who—in addition to turning out the newsletter, which costs subscribers $850 a year, and hosting conferences at the Plaza Hotel that feature some of the sharpest minds in the investing business—has written six books, including a history of debt (surprisingly engaging) and a biography of John Adams (better than David McCullough’s, some say). But his ample intelligence has often left him out of sync with the animal spirits that rule Wall Street. Over a quarter-century in which the economy mostly boomed, Grant stayed mostly gloomy. His view has been that the economy is a Frankenstein creation of cheap credit that drove up prices and instilled a false sense of prosperous stability.

At critical moments, such as the great collapse of the eighties boom, this analysis proved brave and useful, swelling Grant’s subscriber rolls and turning him into a star of sorts. But it also led to him advising caution and restraint as some of the most vigorous bull markets in history commenced. Indeed, the nineties was not kind to pessimists. “In this business,” he says, “everything is cyclical, including one’s evident IQ. One goes from genius to moron all too quickly. And so I went from being regarded as one of the brighter people on Wall Street to being, let’s see, a perma-bear, and there was truth in that. I wasn’t supple enough, wasn’t flexible enough. I was in love with our story, which had been so successful, and didn’t see the world change.”

Having made this mistake more than once, Grant is determined never to make it again. The financial crisis ratified many of his core convictions about the pitfalls of debt and loose monetary policy, and the panic of people who didn’t see the crisis coming produced great opportunities for those who did. The transition from bear to bull was difficult for Grant, but before 2008 was over, he was recommending to his subscribers that they shop for bargains, including, yes, houses in Detroit. “One year ago, we turned bullish on tradable bank debt, certain ‘toxic’ mortgages, junk bonds and other such unwanted debris,” he says. “In March, we turned bullish on bank stocks. And now we are bullish on the economy.”

Grant’s optimism is built on two pillars. The first is his analysis of cyclical trends. Like a rubber ball thrown against pavement, the U.S. economy has historically bounced back with a force roughly approximate to that with which it fell. So the tepid recoveries of the early nineties and early aughts, the ones that preoccupy many analysts today because job growth was so torturously slow in both cases, were just the predictable aftermath of what Grant describes as “toy recessions.” A better model for our present circumstances, he says, is the early eighties, when the economy was in shambles (double-digit unemployment then, too) and then suddenly, to the shock of learned people everywhere, staged a stupendous recovery. Yes, there are seemingly unique impediments to such a recovery this time around—the indebtedness of U.S. consumers, to name one—but there are always such seemingly unique impediments, and the U.S. economy has repeatedly demonstrated the power to adapt.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:00 AM
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1. I get called a doom and gloomer a lot these days, but really, nothing would make me happier than
a robust recovery in 2010.

Like everyone else, I have plans for the future and am working towards that. The meltdown (which really started in 2007) has put a crimp in those plans, and seeing a return to a robust economy in 2010 would be outstanding.

Really.

I just think the chances of that are pretty slim because of things like:

-- banks not being forced to write down the real value of the loans they made, loans that still exist.

-- The shadow inventory the banks are keeping off the market in order to artificially float current prices.

-- the often heralded claim that our economy was 70% consumer driven, and given that that same segment is now tapped out and unable to drive said recovery, it seems unlikely that the consumer is going to go back to driving the economy. So where does the recovery come from?

-- We're still not making things here, and growing our food locally.


So I guess my "doom and gloom," as it were, comes from not really seeing these issues resolved. Until they are, I will continue to believe that we have not really fixed the issue that caused the meltdown.

And inflating another sector of the economy -- inflating another bubble -- will help on the short run, but make matters worse on the long run. We should focus on sustainable solutions.

Just my two cents.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:06 AM
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2. We're still not making things here?
Where exactly do you think we rank in a global list of manufacturing output?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:19 AM
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3. then why does everything in the store say
"Made in China"

or

"Made in Mexico"

or

"Made in India"


I have to seek out, and look hard, for products that say "Made in USA".

We export a great deal of weaponry, which no doubt greatly accounts for the statistic you cite.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:10 AM
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6. We make high value goods. Not knick knacks and T shirts
I have worked for twenty years exclusively in manufacturing companies. Very rarely did the companies I have worked for put things on retail shelves. They put systems into space, were in operating rooms and ICUs, were installed on heavy agricultural and industrial tractors. They were in wafer-fab lines, automobiles, aircraft (not just military), foundries and factories, but not in Wal-Mart. Much of those cheap Chinese goods are made on equipment designed and made here, designed on software created here.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:14 AM
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7. Okay. Point one: I don't shop at Wal-Mart
Point two: I'm not talking about worthless crap, I'm talking about day-to-day household wares and appliances, clothing, furniture, electronics -- high end or low end -- and on and on.

Making stuff here? A small number of high-value, big ticket items, as you mentioned.

That isn't going to drive a recovery though, and the number of people employed by high-tech manufacturing is pretty small, overall.

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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 02:20 PM
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8. We manufacture a huge number of things and are the world's #1 mfr
Including everything you listed. Low value low tech manufacturing is largely gone, because it is impossible to sell, say, underwear made of the same cotton and sewn on the same machines with $15/hr labor when the same store stocks underwear sewn with $15 a month labor. That does not mean we don't make the machines, or don't grow the cotton. W e just don't sew the underwear. Same with injection-molded low tolerance commodities. I've been to molding plants all over the world. Most of them have presses made in the US, or Europe, or Japan. They churn out trays and bottles in China and India. Who gets the bigger sale?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 02:48 PM
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9. If we manufactured many things here, there would be plenty of manufacturing jobs
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 02:48 PM by ixion
there aren't.

And shipping material and machinery to China so they can ship back poorly-made garbage is simply not a sustainable solution.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:27 AM
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4. I know we are high on the manufacturing list, but
how come our trade deficit sucks so bad? Sure we consume a bunch, but way, way, way more than we produce? Some thing I have never understood.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:01 AM
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5. Intellectual property, licensing, etc. not included in "trade"; misleading data
The trade data is inherently misleading, if not downright bogus -- on several different levels. The primary ways that trade is measured is in goods -- raw materials, commodities, or manufactured goods. Services are poorly reported, while things like licensing of intellectual property, fanchises (e.g. KFC), or royalties of other types are mostly off these particular books. When something like an iPhone is made and sold outside the US, you probably did not see in the reports the money flowing into the US.

About the only times the US has ever had a trade surplus was when we dominated the aircraft business before Airbus.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 03:47 PM
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10. NOT if Republican prayers to the Prince of Darkness make any difference.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 04:07 PM
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11. no bread lines...but more Americans on food stamps every day...
and as for jobs...there are none around here...not sure where your at but here there are no jobs.
There is NO recovery without jobs.
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