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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:03 PM
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When Jon Stewart Fails
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=01&year=2010&base_name=when_jon_stewart_fails

There is an unexpected silence in the liberal blogosphere after last night's highly anticipated Daily Show episode, in which Jon Stewart hosted John Yoo, the author of many of the Bush adminstration's torture memos and one of the people most responsible for giving legal sanction to the practice of torture. That's probably because Stewart found himself completely outmatched by a charming, tactful Yoo who seemed far better prepared to defend granting virtually unlimited powers to the executive branch than ever before. Put simply, Stewart failed to make Yoo look like he had done anything wrong, and in fact made him look entirely reasonable. Stewart fares slightly better in the extended interview--but on the whole he was visibly out of his weight class.

Stewart allowed Yoo to claim that Abu Zubayda was the "number 3 in al Qaeda," a claim which is factually untrue. Yoo claimed that his memos allowed the government to "go up to the line" of what was torture, but in practice with Zubayda and others the line was crossed repeatedly. The experiences of the detainees who were shackled, in stress positions, had their head thrown into walls, and were doused with cold water were far different than the sanitized, clinical descriptions in the memos. He never asked Yoo whether he thought Zubayda being stuffed in a box to the point that his gunshot wounds reopened was "well beyond the line." Stewart allowed Yoo to claim the U.S. had never really considered what is and isn't torture, despite the fact that the U.S. statute against torture was very clearly violated by Yoo's recommendations and that waterboarding had been prosecuted as a crime as recently as 1983.

Stewart never confronted Yoo on the question of how the torture regime, reverse engineered from training meant to help soldiers resist torture, could possibly not be torture. Stewart never even contested the idea that torture was effective, despite the high profile declaration of FBI Interrogator Ali Soufan that he personally extracted all of the useful information from Zubayda prior to his being tortured. When Stewart asked Yoo whether the president could electrify someone's testicles, Yoo knew how to answer the question--having previously implied that it would be okay for the president to order a child's testicles crushed because, "it depends on why the president thinks he needs to do that." This time he shook his head. No, no, never something so barbaric.

Stewart allowed Yoo to maintain the illusion that he was a good faith actor simply doing his job, rather than someone who had deliberately distorted the facts in order to justify the unjustifiable. After being outmaneuvered for nearly thirty minutes, Stewart grudgingly admitted that he was "not very equipped to handle the discussion". It was a sobering reminder that for years, a mostly pliant press has allowed a comedian to do a reporters' job. Yesterday, we were reminded how inadequate a solution that really is.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:08 PM
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1. it ain't the first time.
McCain anyone?

Jon sometimes gets a little too caught up in delivering his next clever quip to get the actual money shot, highlighting that he's a comic and not a journalist. Still, it's a wasted opportunity, and anti-climactic.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:12 PM
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2. Jon Stewart has bosses
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:12 PM
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3. Gee, I wonder what show he saw.
The one I partially watched (I admit it, I couldn't take much of it) had Stewart trying to ask tough questions and Yoo, fully oiled, sliding out of them by mouthing patriotic talking points.

Yoo's demeanor was chilling. I honestly don't think this appearance will win him many friends.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 03:14 PM
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13. I agree, Warpy.
Jon was trying to pin down 'what's torture' according to Yoo, bush/cheney/ and Law. NOT a simple matter.

So Long, if 'ours' turn on Jon Stewart.
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FedUp_Queer Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 07:16 PM
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25. My sentiments exactly.
Perhaps I'm just predisposed to seeing Yoo for the small-minded small man that he is, but I thought JS did rather well. Yoo came off as a person engaging in circular logic and completely incredible statements (the one where the president can declare war was my favorite). At the end of the interview (I only watched the one on tv because I just cannot take watching more than a few minutes of a bona fide, sadistic war criminal), Yoo looked the little tool marionette that he is.
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Djarun Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:15 PM
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28. I thought only congress could declare war, maybe something has changed that I am unaware of ...
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:16 PM
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4. Send in Colbert. nt
:evilgrin:
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:17 PM
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5. I saw that interview, and thought along a similar vein as I was watching it.
Specifically, I was kinda surprised Stewart didn't get into U.S. prosecutions for waterboarding against the Japanese, which is a pretty well-known and breathtakingly hypocritical factor at this point.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:20 PM
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6. My incomplete read (and listen) was that the conversation was basically, "Why?" and "Because."
Kind of a faith-based political philosophy - because the President says it is necessary.

Yoo was very slippery, but that is to be expected.

John is always polite and respectful, even if the "guest" does not deserve it.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:23 PM
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7. re: "go up to the line"
Don't forget, they redrew the lines.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:38 PM
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8. "Put simply, Stewart failed to make Yoo look like he had done anything wrong,
and in fact made him look entirely reasonable."

I'm sorry, I like John, but when you put it like that, that's a sad life. At reckoning time, when asked what you did with your life, you say your goal in life was to ask people onto your show to make them look bad?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:43 PM
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9. This administration should be holding Yoo's feet to the fire. Not an entertainer. nt
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BeliQueen Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 03:14 PM
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14. Amen!
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SirRevolutionary Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:44 PM
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10. Yoo is a slippery, greasy fish turd
I think Stewart wasn't "on fire" this time, he certainly didn't nail Yoo to the wall. But Yoo was definitely prepared with his talking points and trying to BS the audience (and Jon) over with his shticky, hacky, dry *ehem* charm. He seems like another crazy fundie completely comfortable in his own skin.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:54 PM
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11. If Jon Stewart failed, then what the hell do you call what our media has done? Success?
Our media isn't even awake.

Jon Stewart is a comedian. He's not even a constitutional lawyer. Yoo has had many years to hone a keen edge on a specialty.

Jon tried. That's more than I can say for everyone else. Except maybe a few.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 06:46 PM
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24. +1
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 03:04 PM
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12. I'm sure you would have done much better
I watched the interview. And although I would have loved to see Jon put more pressure on Jon did succeed in showing that these assholes believe that as long as a president does something it's not illegal. He also made Yoo look like an idiot when he couldn't explain why the president doesn't have authority to electrocute someone's testicles.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:24 PM
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20. Well, I'm sure I wouldn't have done much better. But Adam Serwer who wrote the post at prospect.org
probably would have.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 03:50 PM
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15. The best parts of the show are because of the writers
When Stewart has to go it alone he doesn't have the depth of knowledge that we all wish he did. I can't blame him. His function is to host the show, not do research. It is primarily his writers that we have to thank for the incisive commentary and political satire.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 03:54 PM
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16. have you not seen any Jon Stewert interviews? I can't believe the bullshit spewed here
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 03:57 PM
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17. Yes I have
and when he knows what he is talking about he is really good. However, there are areas in which he lacks the knowledge to ask some very pertinent questions.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 04:05 PM
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18. So when you said that his writers do all the work and when he has to go in alone he's no good
that statement of yours was based on what exactly?

I am yet to see an interview where he didn't do a great job asking hard questions and not letting people get away with bullshit. He did that very well even in this interview. I'm sorry we didn't all see Yoo get down on his knees and beg for forgiveness. But overall Yoo was made to look like an idiot, as were numerous other guests Jon Stewert went after without the help of his writers.

That is not that I'm trying to dismiss the great job his writers do. But to imply that Jon Stewert by himself doesn't have the talent or the knowledge that it takes because of one interview is absolutely absurd and not based on any real evidance.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 04:39 PM
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19. It's a tragic state of affairs when the nation's
Edited on Tue Jan-12-10 04:41 PM by Uncle Joe
so called "Fourth Estate" is neutered to the point of requiring comedians to expose the truth.

We will never know freedom from fear for so long as our "free press" is too afraid or compromised to do expose the hard truth and enlighten the American People.

Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, swag.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:43 PM
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21. The Court Fool Was the Only One Allowed to Speak Truth to Power
and he still had to walk a fine line.

How are you, Uncle Joe? Long time, no see!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 06:04 PM
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22. Which speaks to our 21st century version of feudalism; and corporate supremacist/oligarch nobility.
in modern day America.

I'm fine and it's good to see you as well, Demeter.:hi:
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 06:37 PM
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23. Yoo was a complete fucking asshat.
He is so completely a stooge for the Bush Administration. He told them what they wanted to hear, about torture, and not one thing was actually legal.

He actually suggested in the interview that we disregard treaties that happen to get in the way. Fuck that piece of shit criminal; he should be in jail.
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dem mba Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 08:02 PM
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26. failed?
his job is to make people laugh. His show is on COMEDY CENTRAL.

The fact that he gets people like Yoo on the show should be catnip to political junkies like ourselves. let's get some perspective here and be grateful he even has a show. Stewart's under no obligations to the "liberal blogosphere". He owes us nothing. He didn't "scalp" Yoo, but that's not his task.

Jon Stewart is probably the only reason I was able to survive the Bush Administration and retain some semblance of sanity. As far as I'm concerned he's like Atticus Fucking Finch walking through the courtroom...I stand up when he walks by.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:39 PM
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27. Hard for a comedian to seriously debate a law professor
We have come to expect too much from Jon Stewart. He is great, but he should not be expected to beat a law professor in a debate on legal issues, particularly when the professor specializes in those matters. Also, Stewart has the challenge of trying to be entertaining vs. just trying to score points. Moreover, Stewart wants to maintain his reputation of being fair to guests who are political opposites.
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