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CrisisPapers Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 02:41 AM
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Don't Ridicule the Tea Baggers -- Recruit Them
Ernest Partridge

Along with the rest of you, I am amused and entertained when Ed Schultz, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, et al, lampoon the tea bag brigades. It is so easy to target those poor souls, with their stupid signs, their incoherent slogans, and their appalling ignorance of fundamental political and historical facts.

Ridicule the tea baggers? A cheap thrill, to be sure.

But also lousy political strategy!

News flash! Most people react negatively to insults, and turn against those who make fun of them. Moreover, those who are insulted are likely to respond with renewed and enhanced convictions. That’s how I respond. You too, I dare say. It’s simple human nature.

To be sure, Schultz’s “Psycho Talk” and Olbermann’s “Worst Persons” and other such attacks on right-wing crazies are worthy exercises. So too the clever antics of “Billionaires for Wealthfare” and “The Yes Men.” But no one expects such attacks to persuade Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, O’Reilly, Backman, deMint, et al to forsake their wicked ways. Instead, such well deserved ridicule is designed to discredit these sources of tea-bag delusions. Accordingly, they are appropriate targets of derision.

But not the tea-bag movement, en masse, and most assuredly, not all those who identify with it.

So how should the strategically savvy progressive deal with the tea-baggers, both collectively and face-to-face?

Above all, one should acknowledge that many, and perhaps most, tea-baggers are not the right-wing enemy, they are the victims of the right-wing along with the vast majority of the rest of us.

Face it: Dick Armey, Glenn Beck, FAUX News, and the billionaires that are funding the tea-bag movement have accomplished a truly astonishing feat:. They have persuaded millions of the victims of the banksters, big pharma, insurance, energy conglomerates, etc. to protest in behalf of their oppressors, and against their potential liberators and their own self-interest. One could almost admire the well-funded geniuses who pulled this off, but for the fact that they are greedy, unprincipled and ruthless bastards.

Progressives and tea-baggers share two fundamental complaints against the corporate oligarchy: economic injustice and disenfranchisement. The “powers-that-be” have effectively deprived the vast majority of American citizens of their fair share of the national wealth, and they have excluded “We the People” from the political process. Progressives are well aware of these injustices, and their political programs are directed to the alleviation of these abuses.. On the other hand, Dick Armey’s “Freedom Works” and the other puppet-masters behind the tea-bag movement hide these just grievances behind a smoke screen of epithets, irrelevancies and empty slogans: “socialists!,” “communists!,” “fascism,” “liberal elites,” “ACORN,” “big government.”

When dealing with a tea-bagger, the most effective tactical maneuver is to “parry” these accusations gently and, if possible, with an affirmative response and then to move on to economic issues.

Case-in-point: if you are asked “are you for abortion?,” answer directly, “no I am not.” The question is ambiguous, and in one interpretation it is doubtful that anyone ever needs to answer otherwise. In a strict sense, absolutely no one believes that abortion, per se, is a good thing. No woman ever attempted to get pregnant for no other reason than to enjoy the ordeal of having an abortion. At the very least, abortion is an inconvenience, and at worse, murder. Therein lies the controversy. Advice: move on before you get bogged down in that controversy. It is not relevant to the essential political issues now before us.

Likewise for the issues of “God, guns and gays.”

In conversation with a tea-bagger, remember that “A soft answer turneth away wrath.” Don't try to engage in an academic discussion. Evidence and rules of inference mean little to a typical tea-bagger, who regards science and intellect as an elitist conspiracy of “eggheads.” In such an encounter, what you are dealing with is not a coherent world-view, but with incoherent yet justifiable rage, skillfully re-directed toward the innocent. In Nazi Germany, it was the Jews. In the post-confederate South, it was the blacks. At the time of Senator Joe McCarthy, it was “pinkos” and “com-symps” (“communist sympathizers”), and now it is “liberal elites.” It is a familiar and effective tactic known as “scapegoating.”

Faced with such an attitude, I have found that questions are much more effective than assertions. Given the simplistic, exaggerated, and ill-defined notions behind the slogans and labels, it can be rather easy to come to some vague sort of agreement and then move on to the essential issues: economic justice and responsive government “of, by, and for the people.”

Let’s try this out with an imaginary conversation with a tea-bagger:

Progressive: “Please explain to me, just what is your complaint against the liberals and the Obama administration.”

Tea-Bagger “They are a bunch of socialists and fascists who are taxing us to death, want to take away our guns, give our jobs to illegal aliens, and tear up our Constitution.”

P: Let’s take these one at a time. First, guns. Clearly, the Second Amendment says that we have the right to own guns. I agree. So if you can show my any instances of a law or government activity involved in seizing the guns of a law-abiding citizen I will join you in opposing it. Are you aware of any such law or activity supported by the federal government?

I am also opposed to illegal immigration. But do you believe that immigrants would cross our borders illegally if there were no jobs available to them? If not, then isn't this problem of illegal employers as much as illegal immigrants? So will you join me in demanding strict enforcement of employment laws?

TB: Surely you must agree that we are paying too much in taxes, and that much of our tax money is thrown away on waste, fraud and abuse.

P: Yes, I agree. And if we had a fair tax system, you and I would pay less in federal taxes – unless you are much richer than I believe you are. Did you know that most millionaires and billionaires pay a smaller percentage of their incomes to taxes than average Joes like us? And most corporations evade their taxes through loopholes, or by incorporating offshore in foreign countries? Yet these corporations and rich folks use the public roads, benefit from public police and fire protection, are protected by the military, and hire workers educated at public expense. Shouldn't they pay a fair share for these benefits? As for waste, fraud and abuse of government funds, who approves except, of course, the scoundrels who benefit? And clearly that’s neither of us. So if you want to crack down on those scoundrels, I am completely with you.

TB: Now look , everybody knows that Obama is a socialist, or maybe even a fascist!

P: Help me out here. What do you mean by “socialist”?

TB: Socialism is when the government runs everything. No private enterprise.

P: Well, unless I am mistaken, you’re not describing the Obama program. Can you cite any Obama proposal to abolish private businesses? I can't think of any. Seems to me that the federal government is, if anything, too much under the control of private business – big business, I mean. Big drug companies, big insurance, big energy, Wall Street, the six corporations that control 90% of the mass media. Meanwhile, small business is being squeezed. Family businesses on Main Street, perhaps yours, can’t compete with Wal-Mart, Home Depot, etc. If your complaint is that the government in Washington, under the Bushes, Clinton and now Obama, are not looking after the little guy, I’m with you. But is this because of creeping socialism, or is it instead, because of unregulated national and international corporations?

TB: About fascism?

P: Well, the word “fascism” originated with Mussolini in Italy, and means the merging of corporate and government interests. And yes, as we just noted, so defined, it is a genuine threat. But are the Republicans, and the sponsors of the Tea Bag movement such as Freedom Works, a solution to corporate control of government, or in fact a large part of the problem? Which party in the Congress is responsive more to the corporate contributors than to the voters?

TB: Both are.

P: Well, yes. But which party is more responsive? Show me a politician of either party that ignores the interests of the voters and is “bought” by corporate contributors, and we will both do our best to separate that politician from his office. Agreed?

TB: When I say “fascism,” I mean that Obama and the liberals are taking away our freedoms.

P: So who set aside trial by jury, habeas corpus, the Fourth Amendment guarantees against search and seizure, the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment? Not Obama. True, he hasn’t restored all of these and other violations of the Constitution that were put in place by the Bush administration, and I am damned angry that he hasn’t. But can you cite for me one instance of an attempt by the Obama administration to take away our Constitutionally guaranteed rights and freedoms? If you can, then I will join you in protesting such an outrage.

TB: Now look, you are just playing with my mind. I am a conservative, and I want to take our country back from you liberal elites.

P: “Liberal?” “Conservative?” I’m not sure I understand what these words mean any more. So let me tell you what I do believe, and I will leave it to you to decide what label to pin on me. Must fundamentally, I endorse the founding documents of our republic: the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Thus I believe that it is the function of government to secure the rights of each citizen to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Furthermore, in the words of the Preamble to the Constitution, it is the function of government to “establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." With the late Barbara Jordan, I affirm that “my faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total.”

Now isn’t that what you would call a “conservative” point of view? And if some wealthy and powerful individuals and trans-national corporations attempt to “buy out” our Congress, our courts, and yes, our Chief Executive, then, with Barbara Jordan, “I am not going to ... be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution.”

You want your country back? So do I. But “back” from whom? Sure, we have our differences, but these are distractions from the central political issues of our time about which, I submit, we agree. We both support and defend the Constitution of the United States. We both agree that the wealth produced cooperatively by workers, investors, educators and government in the national economy should be fairly distributed. We both agree that the government of the United States, in particular the Congress, belongs to the people, not to corporations and most assuredly not to trans-national corporations. And we both believe in free markets and open competition, both of which are subverted by the concentration of political and economic power in the hands of the very wealthy.

We have come a long way from the ideals of the founding of our republic, and it will be a long and arduous struggle to get our country back.

Will you join me and other so-called “liberals” in this effort? And if not, please explain to me why not?

-- EP
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 02:51 AM
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1. Mainly because tea baggers have already made up their minds that it's the liberals behind all
of their problems. You might as well try to get the KKK, skin heads and Aryan nation to join ACORN so they can help register minorities to vote.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 02:58 AM
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2. Really? That's your imaginary Teabagger conversation?
Here's a rough synopsis of *actual* conversations I've had with Teabaggers:

Me: “Please explain to me, just what is your complaint against the liberals and the Obama administration.”

Teabagger “Bwaaah!!! Obama bad! Kenyan!! Muslim!!! ACORN!! Bwaaah!!!!!”

Me: "Nevermind. Forget I asked."

Teabagger: "Sarah Palin! Preeeetty. Me like!!" (at this point, he begins touching himself in public.)



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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 08:58 AM
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9. (at this point, he begins touching himself in public.)
You forgot to add "then he starts flinging his own poo at others"
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:01 AM
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3. thom hartman has suggested talking to the teabaggers
he`s had some success with the more sane people in that "movement". they are just as pissed and disillusioned as many of us are.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:04 AM
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4. How many teabaggers do you know?
I'm going to guess not very many. Teabaggers were in a prior life Republicans and some Libertarians.

When bush could no longer be apologized for, they needed a new persona to spew their hate and frustrations.

God forbid they should direct that towards the people that deserved it, the republicans.

If this were real life, I'd offer you a bounty of $500 for every Teabagger you convert into a rational thinker.

Good luck with that.
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:28 AM
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13. One...my sister
She was a sweet, caring, good person until a few years ago when she started listening to Limpballs. Over the last few years she has steadily gotten worse with 24/7 faux news. Now, and I am crying as I write this, she is a miserable, mean, hateful excuse for a human being.




:cry: :cry: :cry:
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:33 AM
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14. I'm really sorry to hear this...
I lost my life long best friend over all this a couple years ago. :hug:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:16 AM
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5. You Can't Fix Stupid
Edited on Thu Jan-21-10 03:19 AM by Demeter
While I wish it were possible, nothing will help the Teabaggers out of their existential trap. You could fix every little economic and social problem they endure, and they would still be unhappy, angry, and stupid.

Severe personality problems don't yield to soft words, reasoning, empathy, drugs, or even punitive measures. Not even crisis will trigger change.

Maturity doesn't come in a bottle, nor even with the passage of time. It's the result of hard work and having the mental resources to do the work. Loading our efforts to solve the real problems of our society down with such a burden is the surest way to end the Progressive movement for all time. We don't get paid for what we do, we have limited time and energy, and this is where social Darwinism comes in. In order to save others, first you have to save yourself.
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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:21 AM
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6. Bingo. The OP is absolutely correct.
If we are patient with these poor, misguided tea baggers, we can herd more than a few of them. They ARE sheep, after all, and they actually like being herded (so long as they don't know that's what's happening). The key is to be patient with them and make them feel as if they're exercising their free will to STAND UP and FIGHT THE SYSTEM!
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 04:45 AM
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7. Never happen.
I've tried. It would be easier drilling through Pikes Peak to hit oil, than drilling through their heads, hoping to hit brain.

Reaction is an emotional response, that doesn't take any thinking. the thought process works like this:

Things are screwed up.
Who do we blame.
We're the good guys.
Can't be us.
Must be them because they're the bad guys.
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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 06:13 AM
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8. The writer's efforts are a waste of time with tea bagger nut cases.
Edited on Thu Jan-21-10 06:15 AM by WileEcoyote
Screw the tea baggers. You can't get them to listen let alone fix them.

The purpose of arguing against ignorance isn't to fix the stupid people. It is done in an attempt to prevent others from falling down the same path as the lunatics..

So always insult the nut jobs. The feelings of these sick twisted people are of no concern to me. I say make examples of their stupidity to prevent others from becoming idiots.

Prevention worth a pound of cure.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:19 AM
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10. These are the people who think Palin would be a great president.
I don't think they can be reasoned with. However, it is worthwhile to keep them disillusioned with the Rs.
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cheapdate Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:24 AM
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11. Exactly why DU has been so meaningful
and important to me for all these years, is posts like yours. It's about knowledge and ideas and persuasive argument. I think it does make a difference what we say to each other here at DU, maybe a small difference, but a difference nonetheless, as the best ideas from here filter out into the broader world. The OP touched on several points that I have been endeavoring to gain a better understanding of lately. First is the constitutional basis of our government and second is how labels are functionally meaningless in America, it's the arguments that are important and not the labels. Thank you very much for this excellent post.
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Syntheto Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:35 AM
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12. ...Just don't tell the yahooes that...
...we refer to them by a juvenile frat boy term that means "Performing fellatio while the fellatee has his nut sack dangling down their chin." Tee hee, it will be our little secret...

As long as people use that term, when, believe it or not, everyone knows what it means, (gasp! Who told them?) then more than a short paragraph is a waste of space and the time to take to read it.

Next time, why not just tell a joke? "there were these three salesmen, right? Well, they come to this farmers house in the middle of the night... no, he doesn't have any daughters, and hell no, they can't sleep in the house, but the barn is okay... "
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 01:12 PM
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15. Recommended....UP to +1.
Edited on Thu Jan-21-10 01:17 PM by bvar22
Excellent Post!

I live in a very RED rural area, and have used these techniques.
They work.
I used them throughout 2008 to give some long term Republicans permission to vote for The Democrats by focusing on Populist Economic Issues and avoiding the Social Wedge Issues.

I found it very easy to sell the proposition of letting those over 55 "Buy In" to Medicare if they want to!
Most of the rural people out here have one or more family members On Medicare.

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Unfortunately, the first year of the Obama Administration has forced me to backpedal on my Populist Economic promises somewhat.
Unlike Obama, I DID campaign on a Public Option "like Medicare".

On Edit:
I have MORE Economic Interests in common with "teabaggers" than CEOs of large corporations.
It IS helpful to focus on the common interests.

"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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