Autorank:Turkish deep state versus civilians – as we speak

[formercia]

Turkish deep state versus civilians – as we speak
Written by Michael Collins Daily Journal (Opinion), World News Aug 6, 2010


On July 24, an Istanbul Court ordered the arrest of 102 current and former high ranking Turkish military officers. The military responded by shielding the officers in locations that made arrests difficult, if not impossible. This provoked the current conflict between Turkey’s constitutionally independent judiciary and the military.

The officers charged were allegedly part of Sledgehammer, the latest plan in a series of military plots and coups by the Turkish high command. The military and its allies were to blow up mosques, churches, and synagogues; then blame these acts on terrorists, Kurdish separatists, for example. In addition, the military planned to provoke the shoot down a Turkish aircraft by the Greek military and down a civilian airliner blaming it on terrorists.

Sledgehammer false flag operation was designed to make the ruling AK Party government look “weak” and promote public acceptance for military rule. The full plot was to be hatched in 2003, shortly after the refusal of the Turkish parliament to provide a launching area for the United States invasion of Iraq.

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More at the link:http://dailycensored.com/2010/08/06/turkish-deep-state-versus-civilians-as-we-speak/

[leveymg]

1. Bush-Cheney thought they had sealed a deal to use Turkey as the northern staging point - the deal

was made with the Turkish military after the civilian gov't refused; apparently the US condoned these terrorism and coup plans, if this is correct.

If Bush-Cheney did this abroad to putative allies in order to advance their agenda, they would do the same here, wouldn't they?

[formercia]

2. Now your getting somewhere

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

[autorank]

11. Sounds very familiar

As of now, 11 of the Sledgehammer officers up for promotion were denied promotions. The civilians win on that one. The appeal on the arrest warrants is not clear to me yet but there will be more on that since Turkey has some strong examples of a free press.

What's amazing is the detail of these false flag operations - and the willingness of certain factions of the military to use force against their own citizens. What a concept!

[Me.]

12. The More Things Change...

Well you know...

[autorank]

13. ... unfortunately ...

I'm getting the picture ever more frequently.

Here's a vital work, ignored here:

NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio
http://tinyurl.com/29p2k2e

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15. ***LIVE LINK*** to DailyCensored.Com

http://dailycensored.com/2010/08/06/turkish-deep-state-versus-civilians-as-we-speak/

[naaman fletcher]

3. I know quite a bit about turkey.

This is not a bush-cheney operation. this is a muslim vs. ataturk followers operation. The secular state in Turkey has always has at its core the military. Turkey is now basically an islamic state, something that is covered up by a lot of people because it potentially screws up turkey's EU plans.

This is internal events. As simple proof, look at the long history of tension between the military and state... long before Bush/Cheney.

I know it's in vogue here to blame everything on bush/cheney, and I hate the guys as much as the next person, but the world is more complicated than that. In this case blaming bush/cheney is ridiculously wrong and ignorant.

Not every other culture in the world is so weak as to be so easily manipulated by Bush/cheney. There are other forces that influence the world besides this one-dimensional approach.

[formercia]

4. I see you point, but.....

Bush and Cheney were just the front men for right-wing reactionary groups that also have long-standing ties to Turkey and a lot of other countries that go back to even before Ataturk. You are right about this being a multi-dimensional issue.

Bush and Cheney are just bit players in a much bigger play.

[naaman fletcher]

5. fair enough.

And sorry if I sounded dismissive of you. Re-reading my post I could have written it in a nicer tone, I was just rushed and didn't mean for it to come out that way.

There is a reason I know a lot about this.. the problem here is that there is a power struggle between the military and those who want an islamic state. A few military guys loosley discussed this, but the reaction of the State is to accuse the entire military structure of it in order to take it out once and for all. There are some good people caught up in this who had nothing to do with it, other than being military officers, who now will face trial for stuff they didn't do.

[leveymg]

7. Are you saying the military Ataturks are the modernists, and the Islamist gov't the reactionaries?

Where did I hear that before? I recall that argument in the 1990s about the civil war in Algeria when military death squads were knocking off Islamicists, and vis-a-versa. Before that, in 1986 the Serbian Orthodox Church published an official claim that Kosovo Serbs were being subjected to an Albanian program of "genocide." It even resonates with echoes of the early 1900s when many Europeans, particularly the Germans, embraced the Young Turks for their professed modernism and overlooked the extermination of all those backward royalist Armenians.

Nothing much seems to change, and the world just digs a deeper grave for itself as it spins round and round on its axis . . .

[naaman fletcher]

8. They see themselves as such,

that doesn't mean that I agree with them. Perhaps it is better to describe it as under the secular system they had their own fiefdom, and they think that is being challenged.

[leveymg]

9. It's really hard to make out any "white hats" in that movie, and the similar

tales of intrigue and woe that have unreeled since the First Crusade brought organized Christian states into a head-on crash with the Islamic world.

I'm of the opinion that little has happened in that region since 1945 over which the U.S. (or France, or Britain) hasn't had some influence. Of course, influence being different from control. Why should the latest episode in Turkey, or events in 2003, be any different?

[burning rain]

17. They're called "Kemalists."

The secular republican nationalist ideology is Kemalism, after Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. I can't say I'm fond either of the Islamists or nationalists. The former hate foreigners because they're infidels; the latter hate infidels because they're foreign. Alas, reasonable Turks get squeezed between these two groups.

[leveymg]

18. Thanks - I was repeating the term being used on the thread.

Fortunately, Turkey is more and better than its political systems.

[formercia]

6. Turkish court annuls arrest warrants over 'coup plot'

A Turkish court has annulled arrest warrants against 102 military officers charged over an alleged 2003 coup plot.

The officers - who include 25 generals and admirals - were indicted in July.

All were accused of involvement in plotting a military takeover, in an operation codenamed sledgehammer.

The annulment comes days after the military agreed not to promote some of the accused officers, after a standoff with the Turkish government dominated by the Islamist-rooted AK Party.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10900327

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14. THNX!!! for posting this formercia!!!

The warrants were annulled while on appeal but the 11 officers of the 102 indicted up for promotion didn't get it.

Some sort of deal, a cease fire. The citizens are way to informed over there for this to just go away, Sledgehammer.
Besides, the Ergenekon scheme is already on trial in a number of courts. That won't stop and apparently, trials take a good bit of time in Turkey so the exposes will be ongoing.

Can you imagine, using a nation's military against their own citizens?

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19. Turkey names new military chiefs after row

Turkey's government has appointed generals to two top posts, ending a stand-off with the military.

General Isik Kosaner will be the new overall head of the Turkish armed forces, while General Erdal Ceylanoglu becomes head of land forces.

The government had vetoed the army's original choice for head of land forces after allegations of a coup plot.

The military has agreed not to promote a number of senior officers implicated in the alleged 2003 plot.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10914065

[bleever]

10. Kick.

[autorank]

16. Ola good friend!

Happy trails out there. Hope Jerry pulls it off!