Major spy scandal as five Scandinavian governments catch the U.S. watching their citizens

[Joanne98]

America has been accused of illegally spying on hundreds of people in Norway, Denmark, Finland, Sweden and Iceland.

Officials in the five countries expressed their unhappiness at surveillance tactics that were conducted without the knowledge of the individual nations' governments.

America claims officials informed the Norwegian government about the operation which was aimed at terror suspects.

In other instances, it has stated it has 'nothing to hide'. But Danish security services have stated they will begin an investigation into the matter if evidence of illegal surveillance is uncovered.

The diplomatic dispute erupted on November 3 when Norwegian media outlet TV2 screened a report stating that a group of US agents has been surveilling 15 to 20 Norwegian for 10 years, mostly at various rallies.


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[baldguy]

1. Scandanavian Socialist Muslims are the WORST KIND! Gotta keep an eye on 'em.

[Mika]

2. These Scandinavian governments should arrest and convict the American spies.

Just like the US government arrested and convicted the "Cuban Five", who were cunducting defensive surveillance of, and communicating back to their gov, the activities of certain Cuban exiles involved in past illegal terrorist operations against Cuba.

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[notesdev]

3. That's it!!!

Time to vote that bastard Bush out of office!

[Kennah]

4. The Scandinavian socialists are probably aiding and abetting ...

... the Canadian communists who are shipping cheap pharmaceuticals to American traitors.

[Tutankhamun]

5. We must purge the world of these narco-trafficking terrorist cells!

That sounds pretty scary. Then the Republicans can chime in with their spiel about "small business owners" (the pharmaceutical companies) creating jobs for Americans (who live in India).

[Diclotican]

6. Joanne98

Joanne98

Wel, this is not new, as it have been over the news "over here" in Scandinavia for the last couple of weeks, and even tho most of the government have tried to calm it down to a wishper and to try to walk behind the scenes to understand why and how mutch US was spying on norwgians, it is more and more clearly that the US Ambassadey, and sources inside the US Ambassady, and others who was spying for US was doing a lot of things that was not in the interest of both nations.. Not to say blow a big hole in the trust between Norway and USA as a whole

It is also clear that "intelligence Interest" in the Ambassadey was using metodes that more than posible are against the law in Norway, as the right to pribacy is rather strict enforced in Norway. And the rules is rather clearly stated out in our laws.

And for some reason i doubt that US told the whole story about the survilvance who they was doing in the centrum of Oslo either... It is not the first time around, that US have been spying on norwigians against the law, and it is also not the first time, that US have been couth spying on Norwigians either... under the cold war, they regulary was spying on norwgians..

US would claim that the spying was an opperation was aimed at terror suspect, and everyone know it is a lie. Mostly becouse the "spying opperation" was picturing everyone, who was traveling down the down-town road that goes in front of the US ambasady, and Drammensveien is one of he most trafficed roand in that area of Oslo.. Thousands, and thousands is traveling there, and the area in front of the US ambassady, as it is, is more or less closed off, and made to a fortress like building, with limited posibilites to attac with anynear sucess... In fact I doubt any terrorist would dear to attac US there, mostly becouse the area is protected both by police 24/7 but also by the royal Guard (Garden) as the Palace is situated less than a Km away from the US Ambassady... And I belive that the government of Norway, and US have an understanding about the use of the Royal Guard, if nessesary to protect the US ambassedy.. (And the guard is also one of the few formations, who have live ammo in their weapons, when standing guard around the Palace.. Even tho the guard is there to protect the royal family, and the King and Queen firsthand, they might have a spear to send to help/protect the US ambassady if attacted...

This is just wrong, but I doubt for some reason, that anyone would be hold accontable for the crime... It would just go away, as many other "nuclear bombs" where US interst and Norwigian interst collide... Or for a time the spying on norwigians would be droped by CIA and other "intelligence organisations" to better times... US have plaid this game, many times before with norwgians government, and both know how the game is plaid..

Diclotican

[Joanne98]

7. Sorry to hear about that. I wouldn't tell anybody of any country to trust our

government. Look at the police state we live in. We have more people in prison than any country on Earth and we torture our own people. Tell the people of Norway to kick them out now for their own good.

They are evil.

[Diclotican]

8. Joanne98

Joanne98

The best had been to trown out every known CIA opperative in Norway, who are not norwigian by birth that is.. And to prosecute the one who ARE from Norway from spying on their own... The worst part of it all, is that "forreign intelligence opperatives" have worked with retired Police, some rather up in the ranks, with inside knowlegd about how police in norway opperate, and therefore have maybe given CIA inside information, not meant for CIA at all.. Some of the opperatives we know about, is old police officers, many with many years behind them in the force, and who when they was retired from Police was requited to spy on norwgians, taking pictures, and even add some document to the face if nessesary.. And even tho not mutch is known about the whole affair, as it was blow up TV2 news it was rather fast covered over, even tho it have been disqused in news articles ever since by many who is in the "know" about this matters... Of course not details, but the broad road have been disqussed for many weeks now, and would posible be disgused for weeks, maybe years in the future, we like to disguss a case to near death, and then deside what to do with it all..

US is in the wrong when they are spying on norwgians, just becouse they are using THEIR right, to demostrate against thing they know or belive is wrong. As the demostrations against the Iraqi war in 2002/03, when I myself also demostrated against it, it was a calm demostration, in fact rather friendly, with estimated more than 60.000 pepole of all ages.. From old men and woman, to young kids and parents with children on their back. But I also notised a lot of peopole who was taking pictures and not everyone looked as they was there becouse of the "news worthy" thing.. i suspect a lot of police, and intelligence organisations, both home breed and forreign was taking pictures that day.. And I also was seeing a cople of police out. But the demostration was peacefully, and we never was seeing the hard front of the authoritys that day.. Even tho it was the largest demostration in Norway since the end of world war two..

It was indeed up in Pen and Teller the other day, that many millions of americans was in prison, for longer times, than ever before, and mostly becouse of non-violent crimes.. It is wierd from my wiewpoint, to see the numbers, when US claim to be the land of the free, the land of the brave.. And then you put more people into prison than Red China ever do.. Even tho China have a population many times larger than US... And in many states in US, if you have had a prison time, you are not egible to ever vote in elections, and therefore can never get your voice heard again. And have to live by, on work, that is appealing to say at least, and often end up in the prison system, becouse it is to easy to end up there again...

I hope our democracy can surive this also, I think our system is far more stabile and solid than say US for the moment, we have not the same form of fear from "the others" for the most part.. And also, we do not have your nutcases in the politic.. We had a few clowns in the 1990s, they was by the end of 1998, out of our Parlament, and have never managed to get into any office regional or national ever since... And they was indeed really nut cases too, but compared to the US, they are sane as a winter day..

I guess it is beocouse, most of our "nut cases" wil end up in a mental ward, or given medicine and a close follow up by our healt care sytem for the most part, so they are no danger to themself, and to others... And a lot of your right wingers, is indeed in need of both a mental ward, and medical help...

Diclotican

[formercia]

9. Now I know why Ronnie Raygun emptied out the Mental Institutions

It wasn't to save money, but the need for more Republicans and Teabaggers.

[Diclotican]

10. formercia

formercia

Problerly, that and a couple of decades of loosely education, where for the most part you have been told that you are the best, and that US is the greatest nation on the face of the earth, regardness if the opposite is been shown many times over the last 3 decades... Scandinavia, for its "socialistis tendensies" have been on the top of ranked lists the last decade or so now.. And Norway have either been on the top, or been on the top ten in more than a decade now.. Mostly becouse Norway, with Sweden and Denmark is peacefully (for the most part) and prosperious country, who are using our wealth for the best of most of us who live here. Not everything is perfect, not at all, but compared to many other corners of the world, I would say we do it rather good, and it helps that we are not into all this figthing all the time

And US could also be rich and prosperius, if US start taking troops home, and be more carefull when going to war, and try to rebuild the infrastructure that is in despair in the US.. If the billions used on Iraq war alone had been going to the infrastructure, and building new roads, new brigdes, railroadlinks between the City's Schools to educate the kids, and a public healt care options, where you are not been made bankrupt by incurance companies, THEN US again would raise to nr 1, and not going down the tubes as it have been doing, since Ronald Reagan was elected President.. As my fostermothers first cousine was saing last time we had a little >"familiy coming togheter" when we was on the subject. Think about how long US have fallen, and how rich that country was just a couple of decades ago.. And they was grown up in a world, where US was a beacon of prosperity and wealth, they was born under or right after the war, and have experienced shorthand firsthand. And they also have know that in US, you can allmoust have everything you want, or is capable of needing.. Today more than 12 million american, are in need of emergency food rations, for surviving, and this happend, in a country who have been the brad basket of the world for more than 100 year now.. You are STILL a bread basked for the world, but can't feed your own population anymore.. Something is really wrong in priority here I would say..

Diclotican

[Joanne98]

11. I think the difference is religion. We are a religious country and I've noticed

that the more religious a country is the more the gap between the rich and poor is and the more harsh punishments there are.

It's beginning to look like to me that religion causes poverty. Thank Gawd we have an atheist movement backlash developing. People have had it with the fundies and the way they dragged our country down into third world status.