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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:24 PM
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Yes, Virginia, there is a Left; and no, Virginia, it does not want the President to fail
In response to a comment in another thread in which the poster stated that there is no Left, that Obama doesn't owe it anything, that it never did anything anyway, I sat down and wrote this, somewhat in the style of the old "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus" essay. Because in some, maybe many, respects, the Left is a bit like Santa -- it's more present in spirit than in the flesh.

So yes, Virginia, there is indeed a Left in America, a rational sensible Left. I'm not talking about the wild-eyed hippie anarchists portrayed by the establishment media in the 60s and 70s. Nor am I talking about an organized movement or party. The American Left is less organized than the Tea Partiers, and it probably gets less media attention, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

This American Left is more mature than its 60s ancestor, but some of the people who were part of that 60s grassroots movement are still Leftists today. Some of them were supporters of Eugene McCarthy or George McGovern or Bobby Kennedy who survived the disappointments of those campaigns without losing all of their idealism. Some of them were followers of Dr. King or Jesse Jackson, and they knew that racism is one of the symptoms of the sickness of classism.

Many on the Left were radicalized by what's called Second Wave feminism, that notion of women being real people, too. They know that freedom to choose when and if to have a child is essential to being a real person, not just part of one (a uterus) or a pre-determined specific kind of one (a mother).

Is there a Left platform? No, not really. But if there were, it would pretty much look like the platform contained in two documents written in the late 18th Century and ratified by the young states in 1789. We call one the Constitution, and the other the Bill of Rights.

And because the Left is sometimes today equated with a 20th Century movement called Progressivism, the Left acknowledges that the Constitution and its amendments are an attempt to progress from a well-intentioned start toward a more perfect finish. The Left understands that the world isn't perfect yet, but that only means we have to work to make it so. We can't rest on our laurels, nor can we give up just because the struggle is daunting.

So yes, Virginia, there is a Left. It may not be a formal organization, and it may not be a large organization, but it's still here, still alive and kicking.

Now, you may ask, Virginia, has the Left ever done anything?

And that's a perfectly valid question, Virginia. Since the Left isn't really a political party like the Democrats or the Republicans, it's difficult to see what the Left does. So let's go back to that platform thing, because I think it will help you understand better what the Left does.

The Left is more about ideas and ideals and less about party, Virginia. The Left stands for civil rights, the idea that's embodied in that "all men are created equal" statement. Not just men, of course, even though men were the only ones who had any chance of having a vote back when the Constitution was being framed. The Left recognizes that the Constitution was created with an eye to the future. That's what Amendments are for – bringing the Constitution up to date with the changing of public attitudes and even the changing of public knowledge. So the Left supports a living, flexible, perfectable Constitution rather than a carved-in-stone immutable document that might have been great in 1789 but just doesn't meet all the needs of folks in the 21st century.

So the Left stands for civil rights for EVERYONE, Virginia. Not just for men with property but all men, and all women, regardless of the color of their skin, regardless of their wealth or lack thereof, regardless of their religion, regardless of their sexual orientation. All people.

All people. For some people that's a difficult concept to accept. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, for example, who thinks the Constitution and its amendments don't apply to women. Apparently he doesn't think women are people.

Do you begin to see where this is going, Virginia? Most of the changes to the Constitution and its supporting body of federal law over the past 220 years or so have been made by people who promoted ideas of progress. Everything from abolishing chattel slavery to giving women the right to vote to regulating television and the Internet to highway and airline safety to the federal income tax and Social Security – that's what the Left has done.

Now, you're quite right to question whether everything that's been done should fall under the heading progressive or Left. Some things certainly haven't. That Patriot Act thing sure wasn't. But people on the Left are aware of that and they're working to change it. The Left believes in change, believes it's essential to the political health of the nation.

It was the Left that brought out the horrors of the war in Vietnam and encouraged the public pressure that eventually brought that shameful war to an end. It was and is the Left that has exposed many of the worst environmental disasters, from Love Canal to Prince William Sound to Grand Isle, Louisiana.

The Left stands for human rights, environmental rights, for peace and sustainability, for fairness and equality of opportunity. And part of that fairness thing is that the Left stands for an equitable distribution of a society's wealth. The Left believes that people who work for a living – and that's mos t of us, Virginia – should be adequately compensated for our labor. And yes, that means those who make their money through other means – like betting on the stock market or through inheritance – should pay higher taxes.

Some people don't like to hear that. As soon as they hear "higher taxes," they shout "That's socialism!" as if it were some horrible disease that would kill us like a plague.

But while taxes can be used to redistribute wealth, they are also used to provide the many many public services we've come to depend on: public schools, public roads, fire and police and other emergency services, parks and libraries. The Left knows socialism isn't a bad thing at all, and in fact it's very much a part of what we think of as our American way of life.

In many respects, Virginia, it was those beliefs in the fundamental principles of the great American experiment that put the Left, without any formal organization, staunchly behind the nomination and then the election of Barack Obama to the presidency of the United States.

During the official and unofficial campaigning that went on before the 2008 Democratic primary elections, two candidates emerged as front runners. Early on, Hillary Clinton appeared poised to take the nomination as the first woman candidate of a major political party. But Barack Obama challenged her, and the question soon became would the Democrats nominate a Black man or a woman? Either candidate offered that tantalizing "first" appeal, and either would have fit that "change" model of the Left's platform. But ultimately, the majority on the Left threw their support behind Obama, not because he was necessarily more progressive or more liberal or more "left," but because, at least in part, Hillary Clinton represented ties to an administration that was LESS progressive, LESS liberal, LESS "left."

So when people try to tell you, Virginia, that there is no Left in America or that if there is, it's never done anything, you just tell them that there is indeed a Left in America, and it was that Left that put Barack Obama in the White House. Without a Left, there would have been no abolition movement, no votes for women, no civil rights movement, no Voting Rights Act, no Peace Corps. In short, Virginia, without the Left there would have been no Barack Obama to become President Barack Obama!

But you also asked about the future, Virginia. You asked what the Left can do to make the future better for your generation and for generations to come.

Well, for one thing, Virginia, the Left needs to continue to make itself heard. That's not always easy to do. The Left, because it's not very well organized, doesn't have the focused energy of the right. The Left doesn't have its own media presence and media voices, though it's trying. One thing the Left does have is Barack Obama.

Stop laughing, Virginia!

Oh, it's true. As President, he hasn't exactly lived up to all the promises he made as a candidate, and it's very true that many on the Left are more than a little bit disappointed with him. And that disappointment comes partly from our own impatience. We had our hopes built up during the 2008 campaign that this time we not only had a candidate who could win – not like McGovern and even Dukakis – but also a President who would fulfill the promises of the campaign. Real hope for real change was what we saw in candidate Obama.

Now, two years after the election victory, a lot of those promises are waiting to be kept. The war has drawn down in Iraq, or at least it's not on the front pages any more, but the fighting has escalated in Afghanistan. The promised withdrawal has been moved out. The gay rights issues of repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" – a policy of the Clinton era which hindered Hillary Clinton's bid for the presidency – and of same-sex marriage have not been addressed satisfactorily. The economy remains in a shambles with high unemployment and higher underemployment. Wall Street continues its bankster ways, taking taxpayer bailout money and giving it to executives who already have more than they can spend in a lifetime. The BP oil catastrophe has not been resolved. Global warming is still not being addressed. Mine safety. Health care. Taxes. So many issues and so few resolutions.

As a result, many on the Left are disappointed, disillusioned, and even angry. And they point to specific issues where they feel their interests were ignored and where the administration of Barack Obama gave in to the interests and wishes of the Right. The Left cites the appointments of many many conservative Democrats or even Republicans to the Obama cabinet and other high-level advisory posts.

Most of all, however, the Left complains that Obama has seemed more interested in stubbornly pursuing a strategy of "bipartisanship" even though no one on the other side seems willing to join him. The Right wants everything their way or not at all, and the Left sees Obama moving further and further and further away from the ideals they believed he held as deeply as they did.

They see, too, that the recent losses for the Democratic party in the 2010 elections were a sign not that the Obama administration failed because it moved too far to the left but that its constant movement toward the right led to its failures. It's not only that they didn't get enough votes from the center or even the center-right, but they lost votes from the Left.

You see, Virginia, most voters aren't students of politics. They may pay some attention to the issues that affect them directly, like Social Security or unemployment benefits or health care, but they don't study the positions of the various candidates in detail and they don't connect the issues to the candidates to the parties to the power struggles. It's understandable, then, that most voters cast their ballots in a more emotion-driven decision than a rational consideration of whether their vote will really effect the desired results. Many voters in 2010 probably voted for "change" because they weren't happy with the current situation on various issues, whether on taxes or the economy or jobs or the wars or whatever. But many of them probably didn't understand that while "progress" always implies "change," change alone is not always progressive.

That's why the current situation with regard to criticism of President Obama's policies is hard for some people to understand. Some people, even some on the Left, see the President as not just a person but as the embodiment of their own personal hopes and dreams. They have identified with his campaign slogans and even with the expectations they had for his presidency. And so it's difficult, emotionally difficult, for them to admit he has flaws and that his Administration has not lived up to its campaign promises.

They see criticism of him as criticism of themselves, for having put their faith in him. And even though some of them consider themselves Democrats or Progressives or even part of "the Left," they are less concerned with issues and more concerned with personality. They don't want to admit that there is much in the Obama administration that is not at all liberal or progressive or Left.

The real problem, Virginia, is that President Obama himself seems more concerned about appeasing the Right than with doing what is right. His policies have not broadly benefited working people as much as they have benefited corporations and wealthy people. And so those of us on the Left are vocal about our complaints, not because we want President Obama to fail, but because we want his right-leaning policies to fail. We want him to move further to the Left, not further to the right.

We on the Left are less likely to get caught up in the cult of a personality; our focus is on ideas, ideals, and issues. We want our ideas to succeed, and we would like President Obama to implement policies that promote progressive ideals. If he is willing to try to do that, then we will be behind him 200 percent, Virginia. And we will probably even vote for him rather than for a Republican challenger, because we know he cannot possibly be as bad as they are.

But not being as bad as the Republicans isn't good enough for us. We want our president to be more than just not George Bush or not John McCain or not Sarah Palin. We want a president who is an active, vocal advocate for the original living ideals of the United States. If we get a president who is anything less than that, then we will let him know. That is our right, Virginia, and that is our Left.





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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:48 PM
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1. A beautiful, beautiful piece.
I hope you will find some venue for it that gives it greater permanence and visibility than it will have here.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:48 PM
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:57 PM
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7. And you see where it got me.
:shrug:


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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:23 PM
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17. It got you a rec from me and I agree with Jack
beautiful piece.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:23 AM
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39. don't sweat the haters...
they usually get theirs. K&R
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:21 PM
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2. All that just to end up claiming that
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 03:24 PM by ProSense
that the President isn't "concerned" in doing the right thing?

The real problem, Virginia, is that President Obama himself seems more concerned about appeasing the Right than with doing what is right. His policies have not broadly benefited working people as much as they have benefited corporations and wealthy people. And so those of us on the Left are vocal about our complaints, not because we want President Obama to fail, but because we want his right-leaning policies to fail. We want him to move further to the Left, not further to the right.

We on the Left are less likely to get caught up in the cult of a personality; our focus is on ideas, ideals, and issues. We want our ideas to succeed, and we would like President Obama to implement policies that promote progressive ideals. If he is willing to try to do that, then we will be behind him 200 percent, Virginia. And we will probably even vote for him rather than for a Republican challenger, because we know he cannot possibly be as bad as they are.

But not being as bad as the Republicans isn't good enough for us. We want our president to be more than just not George Bush or not John McCain or not Sarah Palin. We want a president who is an active, vocal advocate for the original living ideals of the United States. If we get a president who is anything less than that, then we will let him know. That is our right, Virginia, and that is our Left.


If you believe he isn't "concerned" in doing the right thing, why would you want him to succeed?

As for the other claims:

"His policies have not broadly benefited working people as much as they have benefited corporations and wealthy people."

"We want our president to be more than just not George Bush or not John McCain or not Sarah Palin."

The wealthy were not the primary beneficiaries of the stimulus or the largest middle-class tax cuts in history.

He's not George Bush, John McCain or Sarah Palin, not even close. Anyone who can't tell the difference without cherry picking policies in complex and screwed up world, doesn't want to see the difference.

Wanting the President to succeed is not the effect of tearing him down and ridiculing everything he does. Wanting the President to succeed requires an effort to understand the where progress is being made and where more needs to be done. It is not claiming that progress is worse than the status quo or two steps backward.


Edited to quote accurately.

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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:51 PM
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6. +1000
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:12 AM
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41. ProSense. I have told you this before. . Watch the film, Inside Job.
Geithner, Summers and Bernanke were three key figures in establishing the policies during the Bush administration that led to the current economic problems. Yet, knowing -- as he certainly should have -- what roles they played in the decisions made at the Fed and in the Clinton administration in the years preceding our economic crisis, Obama appointed them as his closest and most prominent economic advisers.

Meanwhile Nobel Prize winner, Paul Krugman warned Obama that he was not doing what needed to be done.

Further, Obama failed to do the morally correct thing that would have also brought him the trust of the people on the political level, the thing that would have educated the American people about the choices we really face. And that would have been to have indicted the leaders of the Bush administration who approved the illegal wiretapping and the torture.

Obama is failing because he chose the wrong economic and financial advisers and because he did not have the courage to prosecute the terrible wrongs done by members of the Bush administration.

Obama is not failing because we who are now called the "left" (I was always considered a moderate until recent years) are pointing out why he is failing. He was failing, and we are trying to let him know what he could do better.

If Obama wants to succeed, he should take our advice, not yours, ProSense. It's advice like yours that has caused his problems.

I voted for the Democrats in my state -- a straight ticket.

But then, I live in California, and the Democratic Party ran great candidates -- relatively liberal candidates -- in California this year. Look at the candidates in California and you can see what kinds of Democrats win election.

Obama was absolutely rude to Howard Dean. How can he expect liberals/progressives to be enthusiastic about what he is doing when he goes way out of his way to shut us and our leaders out of his administration.

The one bright spot in the Obama administration is Elizabeth Warren. She is honest. I'm looking forward to hearing from her.

I'm hoping that she can educate Obama and congress about their economic choices. Somebody sure needs to.

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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:43 AM
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43. +1000 nt
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 06:58 AM
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46. + another 1000 n/t
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 09:06 AM
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48. +1000. DLC advice is bad advice. They are sabotours. (nt)
Edited on Thu Nov-25-10 09:06 AM by w4rma
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 10:38 AM
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 10:47 AM
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51. +1
On all counts.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 10:52 AM
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52. "The one bright spot in the Obama administration is Elizabeth Warren. She is honest."
Edited on Thu Nov-25-10 11:12 AM by ProSense
Thankfully, Wall Street reform passed and the President appointed a friend and advisor to head the agency.

Elizabeth Warren

"It has been more than 20 months since the largest financial crisis since the Great Depression, and we are still living under the same set of rules we had in place before the meltdown. Thanks to the leadership of President Obama, Chairman Frank, and Chairman Dodd, that's about to change. Members of the House-Senate conference committee and their staffs worked through the night to produce the strongest set of Wall Street reforms in three generations. They created a strong, independent consumer agency that will have the tools to rein in industry tricks and traps and to cut out the fine print. For the first time, there will be a financial regulator in Washington watching out for families instead of banks."


Fighting to Protect Consumers

Over the past several weeks, the President and I have had extensive conversations about the vital importance of consumer financial protection.

The President asked me, and I enthusiastically agreed, to serve as an Assistant to the President and Special Advisor to the Secretary of the Treasury on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. He has also asked me to take on the job to get the new CFPB started—right now. The President and I are committed to the same vision on CFPB, and I am confident that I will have the tools I need to get the job done.

President Obama understands the importance of leveling the playing field again for families and creating protections that work not just for the wealthy or connected, but for every American. The new consumer bureau is based on a pretty simple idea: people ought to be able to read their credit card and mortgage contracts and know the deal. They shouldn’t learn about an unfair rule or practice only when it bites them—way too late for them to do anything about it. The new law creates a chance to put a tough cop on the beat and provide real accountability and oversight of the consumer credit market. The time for hiding tricks and traps in the fine print is over. This new bureau is based on the simple idea that if the playing field is level and families can see what’s going on, they will have better tools to make better choices.

If the CFPB can succeed at leveling the playing field, we can go a long way toward repairing a gaping hole in the budgets of millions of families. But nobody has ever thought or argued that the consumer bureau can fix everything. Lost jobs, stagnant incomes, rising costs for college, dwindling retirement savings—there’s a lot of work to be done.

When she was 16, my grandmother, Hannie Reed, drove a wagon in the Oklahoma land rush. Her mother had died, so she was up front with her little brothers and sisters bouncing around in the back. When I was growing up, she talked about life on the prairie, about marrying my grandfather and making a living building one-room schoolhouses, about getting wiped out in the Great Depression. She was hit with hard challenges throughout her life, but the moral of her stories was always the same: she would solve her problems one at a time by pulling up her socks and getting to work.

It’s time for all of us to pull up our socks and get to work.

Is she still a "bright spot" and "honest"?

It appears that people are only smart and honest when the criticize the President and his achievements, not when they acknowledge the good[/b> that he has done.

Guys, this is a major program to aid lower- and lower-middle-income families. How is that not a big progressive victory?







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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:33 AM
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55. excellent
I have said this before here - I supported Obama and worked in my sphere to get him elected; I wept election night - at 58, I had lived to see a person of color elected to the Presidency in this country, something I had never thought to see in my lifetime. I had heard his cautious statements on the campaign trail with some trepidation, but I also heard his rhetoric for change and saw - and was sure he could not fail to see, especially given his history - the overwhelming hunger for change from the hellish neo-con junta's rule.

And then came the appointments. And I knew that whatever his intent, it did not matter. We were going to stay on the same road: the absolute ascendancy of money and militarism.

We did not abandon Obama - he abandoned the very mandate that carried him to office, and he did it from day 1.

I did not want a "pony." I wanted what the millions who went out and gave him the Presidency and a Dem House and a Dem Senate wanted - change.
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:37 AM
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56. Hell yes....
especially the part about Elizabeth, she better receive the support she needs. If she's chased out of DC I will lose my last bit of respect for our 'system' of government.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:14 PM
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61. Here's what I don't know about Warren.
I think she is the real deal. I think she will do everything she can to help the consumer. But isn't she just working on credit card stuff? That's all I hear about.

Now if she were really making decisions about rules and regulations for wall street and banks, that would be great. But it seems that her position is consumer protection from credit misdeeds. She won't have any say about what geithner's buddies on Wall Street do.

Maybe i'm wrong. Does she have regulatory power over stuff other than bank credit practices.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:20 PM
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64. Well... There's This:
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:24 PM
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66. Yep. Read that. But the part that worries me
is the line about how she worked for weeks behind the scenes to get this done. I'm glad she's there to submarine bills like this, but I would like it better if she just had a position that didn't require her to do all that background stuff, if she could just be the one the president seeks advice from first.

Still glad she's there. That is a good sign.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 03:05 PM
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68. I think that the fact that she was able to work the machine behind the scenes
is very important. She does have the public forum but if she can't work the levers she will not succeed. I think she has a plan and I for one don't want her to advertise it so the Right Wing machine can have time to destroy it before it even gets off the ground. She needs to get the mechanisms in place and then announce the plan. You and I know that when she does announce it the attacks will be insane.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 09:30 PM
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72. But what plan?
She's not in charge of the stuff that really needs repair. And the attacks and howling are already insane for the small portion of the bank rip-off that she can affect.

Nothing against her. She should replace several of the corporate whores that are feathering nests now.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 07:27 PM
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80. Plus one.
"The one bright spot in the Obama administration is Elizabeth Warren. She is honest. I'm looking forward to hearing from her.

I'm hoping that she can educate Obama and congress about their economic choices. Somebody sure needs to."

Me too.

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:22 PM
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3. I look forward to an update on how warm and buzzy ideology is when we're looking at #1 a Reich-wing
SCOTUS nominee;
2. Employee Free Choice Act is aborted before it even gets to a Congressional committee of any kind;
3. Medicare Reform gets taken out of the quality of care, instead of out of fat CEO salaries;
4. Public Option revisited is DOA.

Memo to the Professional Left: If it ain't accountable, it's NOTHING but ideology.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:01 PM
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8. Damn that's good. K & R nt
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:23 PM
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9. K and R! n/t
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:37 PM
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11. K&R
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:38 PM
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12. Tansy, you are a treasure... thanks for putting
into words what some of would never be able to in a concise and thorough manner..:yourock:

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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:40 PM
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14. Thank you!
:blush:
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:39 PM
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13. I regret that I have but one rec to give
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 04:40 PM by abq e streeter
although slightly envious that once again, someone here has expressed what I was thinking so much better than I could have.
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carolinayellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 05:29 PM
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15. One rec, one addition to the ignore list
thanks from Virginia for a fine post
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 05:30 PM
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16. Your sig line
is sooooooo apt.

:hi:




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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:51 PM
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18. Allow me to stand and applaud!
Great piece!
Saving and Bookmarking.
:patriot:
K&R

Also recommending Post #20 by Dr.Phool
Well Done, Sir.
I salute you also:
:patriot:


"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."

--- Paul Wellstone


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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:58 PM
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19. Oh, damn you, bvar!
That pic and that quote from Paul Wellstone always make me cry.

But I will not, absolutely will not, give up the fight. Even if all I have are words here on DU, I will not give up.

Thank you, for keeping Paul Wellstone alive and FIGHTING in our hearts.


:yourock:


TG
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 10:50 PM
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30. And I believe Bvar took that picture himself at a Labor Day picnic in St. Paul
Just a few weeks before Wellstone was killed.

Your response to Bvar reminds me of Tom Harken's comments at Wellstone's memorial


We must continue Paul's journey for justice in America. So tonight I ask you all, will you stand up and join together and board that bus? Say yes!

For Paul Wellstone, will you stand up and keep fighting for social and economic justice? Say yes! For Paul will you stand up and keep fighting for better wages ...? Say yes!

For Sheila will you stand up and be fighting for families so women and children will be free from domestic abuse? Say yes!

For Paul will you stand up and keep fighting for cleaner water and a cleaner environment for our future? Say yes!

For Paul will you stand up and keep fighting for peace and understanding and stop the exploitation of women and children around the world? Say yes!

For Paul will you stand up and keep fighting and end discrimination ...? Say yes!

For Paul, will you stand up and keep fighting for the poor the homeless and those left on the poor side of life? Say yes! Now let's all get on that bus together, that green bus, that bus of hope and keep it moving for a better America. Keep standing up, keep fighting, keep saying yes


Though somedays it's hard to keep fighting - especially when those we thought would join the fight appear more concened with appeasing those who hate what Wellstone stood for.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:02 PM
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32. This time of the year, so often we talk about where we were
when we heard the news of JFK's assassination. I remember it clearly, as if it were yesterday. I was 15.

But I also remember where I was when I learned of Paul Wellstone's death. I was at work and my husband called to tell me. I started to cry, and one of the women I worked with asked me what was wrong. I told her, and she said, "Who's Paul Wellstone?" She was, I say with no apology, an astonishly ignorant twit, and that's exactly what I called her. Had there been anyone else in the office at the time, I probably would have been fired, but no one else was there and we worked for different supervisors, so there was nothing she could do.

Afterwards, I made the only cash political contribution I've ever made, to Fritz Mondale's campaign for Paul's senate seat. I couldn't afford it, but I had to do it.


Bvar's picture is wonderful. But it does still make me cry.



TG
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:07 PM
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33. +1000 nt
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:25 AM
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40. "before Wellstone was killed"...
if, but, he were still here- where would we be? I would think a better place.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:22 PM
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20. Paul Wellstone.
There's a man who knew where it was it. Such a tragic loss.

I'm hoping Franken can lift his mantle.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:40 PM
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21. Kick and Rec!
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:49 PM
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22. I'm bookmarking this for careful study later, along with the other comments.
Thanks from one who has been of the un-profressional left for all my adult life!
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:03 PM
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23. Thank you, Tansy,
I'd like to add more, but have company coming in the door in a few minutes - I'll have to be content with a K&R for now.
in solidarity and sisterhood,
b&r
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:10 PM
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24. Enjoy your company
May they all be liberal.. . . . or silent!

:hug:
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:21 PM
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25. K&R
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 09:20 PM
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26. K&R
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 10:27 PM
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27. K&R and thank you.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 10:29 PM
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28. Thank you, Tansy Gold. Well said. Well said.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 10:50 PM
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29. Huge K&R! nt
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 10:51 PM
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31. Beautiful!
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:





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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:13 PM
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34. Virginia lives in rw fantasy land
The country is center/left, not the opposite the corporate media and beltway village claims. Always has been, and will vote that way often.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:34 PM
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35. A big K&R, ya hopeless romantic, you.
eom
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:43 PM
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36. Rec'd! n/t
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:18 AM
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37. What a glorious post! I want to hug you, but this'll have to do....
:loveya: :loveya: :hug: :hug: :hug: :pals: :pals: :pals: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :pals: :pals: :pals: :hug: :hug: :hug: :loveya: :loveya:
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:22 AM
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38. I am on the left...
I want Pres. Obama to be remembered in the same breath with FDR, Lincoln, Jefferson and Washington. I REALLY REALLY want that.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:26 AM
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42. Excellent post! K&R!
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 04:54 AM
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44. except the left that DOES want him to fail. broad brush you use.
no need to reply.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 10:32 AM
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49. I assume you're speaking for yourself.
No need to reply.

-Laelth
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 03:06 AM
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74. vs. the ENTIRE left the OP pretends to speak for? i post only to
Edited on Fri Nov-26-10 03:08 AM by nofurylike
add to those voices pitching in with some omitted facts, such as that there are many leftists who do wish this government to fail, and who use those who do not.

i state "no need to reply" because i am aware that nothing i post will make a difference to those already convinced. i did not post TO the OPer, but to add another perspective to the OP's contention.

thank you.

*edit a correction
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 05:27 AM
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45. Keep up the good fight!
Very well done.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 08:05 AM
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47. Very well said, thank you!
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:22 AM
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53. already rec another kick so more can enjoy this beautiful written OP
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:28 AM
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54. Is Obama a Trojan Donkey? AND how do you fit
Edited on Thu Nov-25-10 11:30 AM by grahamhgreen
an Elephant inside a Donkey?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:41 AM
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57. OUT... STANDING !!! - K & R !!!
THAT... was absolutely perfect... spot on!!!

Bravo!!!

:applause::applause::applause:

:yourock:

Thank you Tansy_Gold!

Most excellent!

Should be required reading here at DU.

:hi:
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:17 PM
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58. It wants the president to *try*. n/t
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:59 PM
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59. The president isn't failing
It's just what he's succeeding at is benefiting this country's increasingly small minority of elites.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:13 PM
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60. Would love to see more member of the elusive left
you talk about (and that is talked about constantly here) show up in numbers, on the ground. I don't mean during the heady, exciting days of a presidential election. I mean you know, like NOW. Get organized, get off the internet, get off the soap-boxes and GET BUSY!!

So easy to sit around on the tubes until it's an election day and then look in horror at who the candidates are. Much harder but more productive to get involved now and perhaps make a difference in who gets on the ballot. There are so many bits and pieces to politics and a lot of it happens between elections, during the down time.

I consider myself to be on the left but I don't spend much time on the tubes, I prefer to try to make a real difference. I hope many who are applauding this post will join me and the others out here.

Julie
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 03:00 PM
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67. Most of us on "the left*" are and have been constantly engaged "on the ground"
Where do some around here get the idea that those of us labeled "left" here (and it is * in title because whatever our personal philosophies there is no real "left" vigorously active in the US - at least that I know of, and for sure around my stomping ground).

Just because when I'm at a meeting with a group trying some new band-aid approach to one of our miserable programs I don't waste everyone's time by standing up and declaiming that instead of working to - oh, say expand heat assistance programs for a currently mythical example - we should nationalize the production and distribution of energy - doesn't mean I'm not "on the left." But would anyone in that group who doesn't know me personally know it? Probably not.

I think these calls for the very people who are most to be relied upon in any progressive fight are constantly exhorted here to get off our computers and out in the real world are hilarious.

Now, if that "call to action" means to jump every time the miserable Blue Dog Dems want us too - no. I'm not even a Dem - have not been for years - and sure as hell don't dance to their piper.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 03:10 PM
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69. Exactly. LIke the thread here the other day about the protest against the Phelps clan
Someone whined -- I hope that doesn't get my post pulled -- "why can't Progressives do that?" as if it was somehow self-evident that none of the townspeople who lined the streets of their community to keep the Phelpses at bay during a soldier's funeral could possibly have been Progressives. Must be they were't wearing their Progressive sheets and hoods (red? blue? green?) so they could be easily identified.

The Left isn't organized like a political party, and maybe it works in mysterious invisible ways, but that sure as hell doesn't mean we on the left aren't working.


:hug:


TG
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 03:35 PM
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79. That post also ignored the FACT that progressives in Kansas have been doing exactly that for years
at Phelps gatherings. Years. To assume we just let this man stand out in public and condemn homosexuals is absolutely absurd.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 10:57 AM
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75. I guess I was misled by the glaring ignorance
so often displayed here on the tubes, especially DU, as to how the political machinery in this country really works is what leads me to believe they've never been involved in on-the-ground activities.

So I imagine DemocraticUnderground is a more comfortable home for you nowadays since it's not a Dem site anymore, eh? Well good, I'm glad it's a good fit for some as it isn't really for me anymore.

Julie
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 11:30 AM
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76. DU: "an online community for Democrats and other progressives."
Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives<[/>. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

emphasis added
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:17 PM
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62. So glad I sqeaked in on time to rec and counter what I'm guessing are a whole
bunch of unrecs. You may not speak for all "lefties," but you definitely spoke for this one! K&R
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:43 PM
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63. K & Highly R'd
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:22 PM
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65. K n R
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 03:16 PM
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70. a very well written post. nt
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 03:22 PM
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71. First line of last paragraph says it all for me.
But not being as bad as the Republicans isn't good enough for us.

If you want your country to somehow reclaim its democracy, (And yes, I know that that "democracy" was in some ways always only an ideal) we have to be supportive of people and measures that are for the middle incomed class. Which no Administration has really done since before the time of Reagan.

Sociologists much better educated than me have long trumpeted the fact that you cannot have a democracy without a middle class.

And until any and all Presidents and Congresses quit supporting fascist measures like the ongoing, always economically supported and endless wars, legislation like the "Food Safety Act" (an Act decreed by the powers of G 20, WTO, IMF and World Bank and clearly unconstitutional), and of course legislation like the Eleven Trillion dollar Bailouts and Corporate-pleasing appointments like those that gave Geithner, Bernanke, Mike Taylor et al their positions of rapacious power, than we aren't going to have a middle class, and we can kiss off the notion that we are anything but a Banana Republic,without the bananas.

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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:06 PM
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73. A masterpiece! Thank you, Tansy_Gold. Too late to REC. KICK. nt
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hamerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 01:00 PM
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78. Bravo!
I just found this piece and truly applaud the author. It's exactly what a lot of us are thinking, but put far more eloquently than most of us could have.
Thank you for this!
hamerfan
:applause: :woohoo:
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 08:04 PM
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81. TLTR...
:/

:kick:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 09:28 AM
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82. ttt
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 10:39 AM
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83. Beautiful post! I am sorry that I was only able to read it today and
so could not K & R as it deserves. I've had some intermittent I-net service problems lately and, when I first saw your post, my browser cut out on me so that I didn't get a chance to read it.
Thanks to the Powers That Be, it was on the "Greatest" again today.

Thank you for these great words - which deserve to be circulated generally - and that is exactly what I will do with them for those on my e-mail list.

:yourock:
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