Vermont moving forward with Single Payer!

[cal04]

Vermont moving forward with Single Payer! Must Read

by sreeizzle2012
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/11/25/923327/-Vermont-moving-forward-with-Single-Payer!-Must-Read

Peter Shumlin has said that he will help create a single-payer system for Vermont. This is something the U.S desperately needs. It would not have been possible if he lost the election.

Read this article about this doctor's hopes for single-payer having a chance after so long.
http://www.shumlinforgovernor.com/richter-single-payers-last-chance/

Well Shumlin is making it possible. He said that getting federal waivers from Obama will be easy. He has talked to him and there are lots of good signs. He will talk to him again on December 2nd. He is really committed. Add to Wyden/Brown's proposal for states to experiment to meet the minimum standards of the federal law or better, the United States of America can eventually have single-payer because of Vermont and other states joining.

Implementing Single-Payer so foes do not get a chance to frame it badly will be the toughest part. It has always been a challenge. However, Canada's single payer health care system started with one province. That province proved it works. It spread to the nation. Vermont, a huge bastion of progressivism and sanity, can do it too.

Oregon is trying to get single payer. I have faith that with Democrats fighting with full force in the General Assembly, Kitzhaber, unions, and grassroots progressives, Oregon can pave the way as well. Oregon elected Wyden who came up with this wonderful idea and opening for Single-Payer.

California has huge momentum for single-payer since both houses of the legislature passed it. The only obstacle was Arnold. Brown is there. There is a chance there.

Hawaii has a chance because the governor-elect was a sponsor of a single-payer bill.

Massachusetts voters affirmed their support of single payer in the shellacking 2010 election.

IT GETS BETTER PROGRESSIVES!!!! FOCUS YOUR ENERGY POSITIVELY!!!!

[handmade34]

1. I am so pleased that Shumlin won

I expect good things from him

[The Doctor.]

4. I'll be glad to see him succeed.

Hope he stays away from small planes. He's up against a powerful enemy.

[Jackpine Radical]

32. He's up against people who control

20% of GDP.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Best of luck to the states moving forward on this. Pave the way for the rest of us! :^D

[JDPriestly]

9. If California takes the plunge, it will just be a matter of time until

other savvy states do the same thing. Soon we will be there.

We can save so much money by cutting out the huge profits to the insurance companies and cutting their excessive overhead costs. Let's place the folks working to deny patients healthcare something better to do -- like work to provide patients with healthcare. Wouldn't it be amazing if all those insurance company bureaucrats worked to increase the amount of healthcare provided for the money spent rather than the other way around?

[Recursion]

3. Did it never occur to people that "states rights" need not be conservative?

This was the point. Seriously.

[DinahMoeHum]

18. Heh heh, "states rights" cuts both ways, Teabaggers. . .

:evilgrin:

[Beavker]

26. Oh, Red States will Still Sue

Somehow, they'll sue. They'll sue on behalf of the Teabaggers in their state. They will.

[rucky]

29. At this point, the more decentralized the power, the better.

[Recursion]

30. Yes. Nations and transnational corps are collapsing under their own weight

It's all about where you're standing when that happens...

[lildreamer316]

34. Thank you!!

That so needed to be said.

[EC]

5. And when Industries start moving into

single payer states - other states will have to compete...yep, maybe finally the market will work...if one or two states can manage to get it...it will sky-rocket the movement across the states...

[redirish28]

6. I HOPE it proves how successful this can be throughout the United States.

[billlll]

7. sounds good! nt

Nt

[onehandle]

8. Eventually life spans in blue states will outpace life spans in red states. nt

[bluerum]

10. Hopefuly there will be some sort of residency requirement.

[MrsCorleone]

11. K&R!

[diane in sf]

12. Hopefully we can get single payer happening in California soon.

[Judi Lynn]

13. Such good news. Thanks cal04. K & R.

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[glowing]

14. OMG, I may only need to move back home and not to Canada to have

a peace of mind over healthcare... real healthcare.. My family will be soooo happy to hear this.

[fatbuckel]

15. I`ll move to Vermont.

[Swampguana]

24. It has nice scenery as well

[BlueJazz]

16. Florida is working on it also.

[fascisthunter]

17. One State at a Time

I think eventually we will have this across the country...

[nxylas]

19. Most of the country

States like Mississippi, South Carolina, Alabama etc. will proudly hold out against the socialist menace, their citizens* waving their Confederate flags defiantly as they drop dead of preventable diseases aged 55.

*=Usual caveat applies: progressives living in those states, I'm not talking about you.

[NorthCarolina]

20. One State at a time. I recall Kucinich pushing this measure during the health insurance reform

discussions. He wanted to add a measure to the legislation that would permit States to individually enact a Public Option. His intelligent suggestion was of course overridden by the New Dems, but I still give him his due for seeing the solution before anyone else. Imagine if the MSM had failed in their marginalization of Kucinich during the primaries. One can dream.

[ProudDad]

21. If California could do it...

That might be enough to "break the bank"...

The biggest problem with Vermont or Oregon trying single-payer is that their "market" is WAY too small to have any clout against the (evil) forces that are keeping the costs of USAmerican Sick Care geometrically rising. The hospital corporations, medical "equipment" manufacturers and the drug pusher in PhRMA will bury them.

But California, with the 8th largest economy in the world, and a $200 Billion "health care" expenditure has the clout to bring the drug pushers, et al. to heal.

By combining the money currently being divided between Medicare, Medicaid, other state insurance programs and "private" insurance as the pool, and borrowing the best ideas of the world's existing systems, California could EASILY build a comprehensive and effective single-payer system that would be the envy of the world.

And as California goes...

[ProudDad]

22. Of course, here in Arizona, we're f*cked...

The sheeple here just passed a constitutional amendment that makes Single-Payer illegal here...

We'll just have to try to cross the border into California for our health care, like upstate New Yorkers go to Canada for help. :mad:

[Swampguana]

23. I think its a great move in the right direction

So happy Shumlin won!

[RedCloud]

25. The tidal wave starts with the first drop!

[Name removed]

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[Uncle Joe]

28. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, cal.:thumbsup:

[briteleaf]

31. Who controls the house and the senate? Corporations

I'm all for a state opening the door for single-payer health care for all. It's going to be an uphill battle though because the health care industry runs the show. Their donations to campaign coffers make all the difference in the world to professional politicians. They kept single-payer off the table for our plutocracy. They will pour millions into state battles to fight single-payer health care as well. They can afford it. They raise their rates double digits EVERY YEAR. If I asked for a double digit pay increase, my boss would laugh and perhaps begin to doubt my sanity.
There's a growing # of americans who want to reclaim their country. It can only be accomplished by campaign reform. Good luck getting our corporate funded representatives to vote for that. In France, the people say "In America, the people are afraid of the government. In France, the government is afraid of the people." Americans are going to have to be outraged enough someday, in the distant future, to insist on election reform. Until then, we will have a plutocracy. America has become a government of the corporation, by the corporation and for the corporation. England spends less than 8% of their national income on health care. America spends a little less than 18%. Guess who's getting filthy rich while we have to sue them to pay for the coverage our premiums have purchased?

[burning rain]

33. Hope the administration doesn't quash it so as to curry favor with business.

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[BlancheSplanchnik]

35. WOW! I had to read that 3 times

before it sunk in!

Stunning!

[pleah]

36. K&R!!!!!!!!!!

[defendandprotect]

37. If Jerry Brown could get single payer thru, would be immense ... Congrats to Vermont ...!!!

and for sanity where ever it rears up!!

[Kennah]

38. This should stem the tide of Americans fleeing to Canada ...

... if any of the threats to healthcare reform come to pass.

[droidamus2]

39. I knew..

there was some reason I voted for Shumlin. I truly hope he succeeds.

[andym]

40. California single-payer would be huge

But there are some serious obstacles beyond passing it.

New taxes/fees to support single-payer requires a 2/3 vote in the legislature.

Citizen's initiatives can be used to reverse/prevent it-- last spring PGE barely lost an initiative that would essentially prevent municipalities like Palo Alto from making their own electricity. The reason that PGE almost won is that they spent millions to portray the initiative as one that gives voters more freedom (don't ask about the convoluted logic). A similar initiative with heavy funding from the health care industry would be inevitable.

Bottom line is that progressives will have to be ready to fight for single-payer in California. The politicians won't be able to do all the heavy lifting themselves.

[yurbud]

41. let's hope. Is there anything we can do to help from across the country?

[billlll]

42. any Co-op owned hospitals, dr offices (like co op owned car mechanics) or NurHomes?

Seems like long overdue idea.

A citizen group could set it up - eg any Union or church or Home Owners Assn.

2. PS pls tell me more about "upstate New Yorkers shuttling to Canada to see a dr when needed". How are the fees for that? Some Dr's cater to americans?

3. Can a Nursing Home resident locate to a NH in Canada? I have an epal lady friend in missouri who has wondered about that.