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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 08:50 PM
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EVIDENCE MOUNTS THAT PAUL WELLSTONE WAS MURDERED!
Edited on Tue Jun-29-04 07:23 AM by Skinner
EVIDENCE MOUNTS THAT PAUL WELLSTONE WAS MURDERED!

DID DICK CHENEY GIVE THE ORDER?

Ass. Press Semantics Alert---The Above Question Is Rhetorical.

Point of View By JIM FETZER

One man's opinion: Evidence indicates that Wellstone crash was no accident

SPECIAL TO THE ASSASSINATED PRESS
Posted on Thu, Nov. 20, 2003

Minnesota Sen. Paul Wellstone was a serious man who cared profoundly about his fellow citizens. He took courageous stands against an administration that he viewed with profound suspicion, arguing eloquently against tax cuts for the rich, the subversion of the Constitution, and violating international accords. He would have led the opposition to the war in Iraq if only he had had the chance. Everyone knew it and he may have died because of it.

For nearly a year now, evidence has been accumulating about the event that ended the life of this magnificent human being. Whatever caused the crash was not the plane, the pilots or the weather. In spite of what you may have heard, the plane was exceptional, the pilots well-qualified and the weather posed no significant problems. Even the National Transportation Safety Board's own simulations of the plane, the pilots and the weather were unable to bring the plane down.

This means we have to consider other, less palatable, alternatives, such as small bombs, gas canisters or electromagnetic pulse, radio frequency or High Energy Radio Frequency weapons designed to overwhelm electrical circuitry with an intense electromagnetic field. An abrupt cessation of communication between the plane and the tower took place at about 10:18 a.m., the same time an odd cell phone phenomenon occurred with a driver in the immediate vicinity. This suggests to me the most likely explanation is that one of our new electromagnetic weapons was employed.

The politics of the situation were astonishing. The senator was pulling away from the hand-picked candidate of the Bush machine. Its opportunity to seize control of the U.S. Senate was slipping from its grasp. Its vaunted "invincibility" was being challenged by an outspoken critic of its most basic values. Targeted for elimination, he was going to survive. Here's one man's opinion: Under such conditions, the temptation to take him out may have been irresistible.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 08:53 PM
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1. Hi soulsick in jp
Can you please edit your post down to four paragraphs? Thanks so much!

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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 08:54 PM
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2. If Wellstone had died a day later his name would have been on the ballot
and another Republican would have lost to a dead guy.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 08:57 PM
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3. As much as I dislike the Republican party...
...to me, it is unpalatable that that party would do something this evil. Though, I have already come to the conclusion that Bushco is evil so I guess, sadly, that it is possible.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 12:49 AM
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33. The Republican Party killed Mel Carnahan, too!
And the WHORE PRESS covered that up just like they covered up Paul's murder!
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Langtree Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-04 11:52 AM
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35. Do You Honestly Believe What You Are Writing?
Plane crashes happen. People who fly planes a lot are at a greater risk of being killed in plane crashes. Honestly, statitics bears this out, and continuing to adhere to silly conspiracy theories is just insane.
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cocoabeach Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 08:59 PM
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4. his plane crashed .....on it's own get over the conspiracy theories
If the right was going to "off" a pain in the ass it would have been Kennedy. Get over yourself.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:02 PM
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5. Is there any one in the Democratic party that you like?
Just curious?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:23 PM
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24. You know the answer to that. Stop feeding the Monsters.
They are only going to show up on your doorstep at 3 am wanting to take you to Re-Education Camp if you keep feeding them!
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peacebuzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:03 PM
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6. Hey cocoa, I bet you think Coleman is a great guy....
do you run in his circle of influence?
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:03 PM
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7. Glad that's settled
Thanks but I'll keep an open mind.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:04 PM
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8. Bush Speaks

http://bushspeaks.com/home.asp?did=103

"I would like to express my deep condolences
for the loss of the Senate."
— G. W. Bush
(Source: Associated Press)
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:05 PM
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9. kennedy was actually scheduled to be on that plane. But a change
in plans that morning meant that he wasn't on it, after all.

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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:29 PM
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16. Yep....they were tryin' to get 'em both......
....I've NO doubt!! :(
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theivoryqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:08 PM
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11. "get over it"... sounding very familiar
isn't that Wolfies trademark comeback?
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:20 PM
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15. No,that's the typical freeper speak
I heard it a zillion times about Gore in 2000.Every board I went to that had freeper trolls kept saying it... "soreloserman" "Gore lost" and "get over it". I hate that phucking phrase.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:10 PM
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12. Wan't Kennedy supposed to be on that plane as well?
And had to back off at the last minute?

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Toby109 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:16 PM
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13. Are you joking?
The right marginalized Ted Kennedy years ago. Paul Wellstone was an outspoken critic and Coleman is a puppet. Do the math.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 10:23 PM
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18. My goodness, you certainly have trouble here, don't you?
Every one of your posts has been offensive.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 11:46 AM
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22. Had Wellstone not changed his schedule that day
there is a possibility that Kennedy would have been on the plane with him when they flew up to Duluth for a rally. I say it was a possibility because I've never heard anyting about either Wellstone's or Kennedy's staff denying or confirming this.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:06 PM
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30. You're a dimwit
Kennedy was SUPPOSED to be ON THE PLANE with Wellstone that day, and at the last minute, Kennedy decided to go to a funeral or something.

So, uh, yah.....They wished they had gotten 2 birds w/ one (Well)stone.

:kick::kick:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 08:38 AM
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34. Hi cocoabeach
welcome to DU.

:hi:

I'll get over myself if you agree to extract your cranium from your rectum. You'll thank yourself for doing it.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:05 PM
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10. Michael Ruppert's Quote from the CIA Guy is the Only Piece of Evidence
It means something that a CIA guy would say that. On the other hand, CIA employees are not supermen and few know much of what's going on in the agency as a whole. Intelligence people do NOT casually talk shop. Most are less politically aware than most DUers.

I can't rule out the possibility that Wellstone was murdered. But I was hoping to see evidence, not coincidence.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:49 AM
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19. How can you see evidence when noone will look?
I guess the fact that the NTSB hasn't come out with a report other than to say it was not terrorism related, or that Coleman was put in charge of the Senate Investigation Committee something no freshman Senator has ever done. Or the fact that the FAA destroyed the logs. How many coincidences do you need.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 08:59 AM
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21. To Write an Article Claiming New Evidence that it Was Murder
you actually need some evidence. The article should not have been written -- at least not with that title -- without some kind of evidence other than hearsay from a CIA empolyee.

I'm not trying to judge the case one way or the other. Planes crash all the time with no obvious reason. Intelligence employees speculate all the time. It just isn't enough to support the author's claims.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:17 PM
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14. The phenomena here is that every time there is a thread about
Edited on Mon Jun-28-04 09:21 PM by higher class
Wellstone, there is IMMEDIATE NAYSAYING by someone who hasn't posted here for very long. Not only has Cocoa spoken out against the thread of the thread, he knocked Wellstone. Very, very timely. Extremely convenient conincidence that you tuned in now. Hmmmmm.

Wellstone:

First vote in the Senate - against Iraq War 1.
Last vote in the Senate - against Iraq War 2.

Life well lived. Good job, Paul.

Where are you coming from Cocoa?

Don't you know, the right can't kill Kennedy.

They can't afford to counter another hero.

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MiddleRiverRefugee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 09:42 PM
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17. Paul Wellstone inspired the tinfoil ribbon
The day after his death I was sitting in our local cafe twisting a piece of aluminum foil into knots just to do something with my hands.

I ended up twisting it into one of those AIDS-style ribbons. It seemed like a good idea at the time.

Also saw a bumpersticker recently:
CARNAHAN 2000/WELLSTONE 2002/WHO'S NEXT 2004?

It gave me pause, I confess...



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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 08:26 AM
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20. There were some other rather strange coincidents
1. We have only 100 senators in Washington. In the previous campaign another popular Democratic senator (from Missiouri?), who had gotten ahead in the polls, died in a plane crash about a week before the election. What are the odds this would happen twice in a row?
2. Wellstone and Norm Coleman seemed to be neck and neck for a while and suddenly Wellstone dies right after he starts to get ahead in the polls.
3. Norm Coleman's genuine reaction to Wellstone's death really surprised me. This seemed very out of character for him unless he knew it was not an accident. Otherwise,he would, of course, pretend to be sorry about this but underneath he would have been somewhat delighted thinking "Now I win!".
4. I also felt that the FBI appeared overly anxious to make people believe there was no foul play by claiming the very next day that no terrorists were involved. Wouldn't this take months of investigations?

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 11:52 AM
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23. Slight correction Graphannette to point #1
Mel Caranahan was running in Missouri aganist Ashcroft, however he was not yet a senator (I believe he was the governor of MO).

As to point #3. I agree, I thought Normie looked positively green and scared to death after Wellstone was killed.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:14 PM
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25. Nice link.
Edited on Tue Jun-29-04 01:15 PM by geek tragedy
Do you get all of your news there?

Wellstone's family doesn't seem to think that he was murdered. Good enough for me.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 02:15 PM
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26. Now, could YOU provide a link about Sen. Wellstone's family
saying they don't think he was murdered? Because that's not what I've read before - quite the opposite.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 02:24 PM
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27. They claimed it was negligence
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 03:10 PM
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28. I first became suspicious watching the early CNN coverage
when Wolf Blitzer kept trying to get the onsite reporter to say that the crash was caused by ice, and she wasn't buying.

Why was that idea out there so early, and why was Wolfie pushing it, just after the wreckage had been discovered?

The more I learned about the circumstances and timing of the crash and the machinations of the Republican secretary of state concerning the absentee ballots, the more suspicious I became, but since I'm not an aviation expert, I can't prove a damn thing.

The idea of deliberate sabotage is definitely circulating underground in Minnesota, though, and even, to a lesser extent, among more left-of-center people in Oregon. I've sometimes been surprised at the people who bring up the subject during political discussions.
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filterfish Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 03:44 PM
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29. old speculation...why is this here now? - eom
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:44 PM
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31. Did people miss the part
where his family sued the pilots and the airline? The family believes it was their incompetence, not murder, that led to Sen. Wellstone's death.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 05:20 PM
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32. I will never believe that his death
was "just an accident" unless I have absolute, independently verified proof of it.

Assasination was my very first thought when I heard of Wellstone's death and I haven't doubted it since.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 02:42 AM
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36. Agreed smirkymonkey
Common sense is all the evidence I need, and all we'll ever have.
It amazes me that people expect to see evidence when the most
powerful mob in the world murders someone.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 04:35 AM
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37. Do they have jellybeans @ the reeducation camps?
God I hope so.

Oh how I love the black ones.

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