Lethal in Japan - the real story on radiation

[flamingdem]

http://www.naturalnews.com/031823_Japan_radiation.html

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Best way of conceptualizing this event: The largest nuclear complex in the world is now in the process of becoming the hottest radioactive emitter in the world with deadly plutonium in the mix. Very soon the showers will turn heavy and no one is going to want to be in the jet streams path. Already they are starting to measure the exposure to the people local to the disaster in terms of how many CAT scans of radiation they are being exposed to as if these medical scans were safe, which they are not.

At the power plant site itself, with almost all the reactors and spent fuel ponds in various stages of meltdown we have a super lethal situation that can only get worse. Representative Michael Burgess, Republican of Texas, asked for detail about the radiation levels at the Japanese nuclear plant. "Are we talking about radiation equivalent to a chest X-ray? A CAT scan?" he asked. Gregory B. Jaczko, the chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission replied, "Levels that would be lethal with a fairly short period of time."

Harold Denton, a former senior official with the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission was faced with the Three Mile Island crisis, holding daily news conferences. Talking about the situation in Japan he said, "This is certainly far worse than Three Mile Island." But the Japanese are not rating it that seriously yet but we each passing day they will see and be forced to admit the more than partial destruction of the northern part of their nation, which in all likelihood include the Tokyo metropolitan area of 30 million people.


Some of that lethal stuff is already falling down in "safe" dosages in California and everyone there is being told to not sweat about it -- it's perfectly safe. And even though it can be measured on instruments they want you to believe that your cells will not pick up on the radioactive particles. A diplomat who has access to radiation tracking by the U.N.'s Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization told the Associated Press in Vienna that initial readings show radiation has in fact reached California.
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[TheWraith]

1. Pseudoscientific nonsense and fearmongering.

The idea that this is "destroying Tokyo" is the most patently ludicrous kind of horseshit, and earns the disgust of anyone with any kind of scientific knowledge.

And no, radiation is not magic--the same stuff which is at harmless levels in Tokyo, a hundred miles away, is not going to come down 8,000 miles away in California in dangerous amounts.

The only place that the real radiation threat exists is in direct proximity to the plant.

[flamingdem]

2. I knew this would bring out the local nuclear scientists nt

[TheWraith]

4. I apologize for having passed high school science.

And knowing relevant information like the meaning of the term LD/50, and what 50 millisieverts actually means. I'm sure a website like "NaturalNews," which has a long history of completely misrepresenting facts and making things up, has a better grasp.

[flamingdem]

5. Go ahead and kill the messenger

... and ignore the reality
source: NHK
Already, a lot of the vegetables that now cannot be sold are from farms 100-200km from the Fukushima plant and close to Tokyo.

[Dogmudgeon]

6. And a Reichian acupuncturist, too

"You better believe I am deadly serious that some people will fight for the devil, for the death principle, which is what radiation is."

"Learn" more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031823_Japan_radiation.html#ixzz1HXXlp2O7

Notice the pseudo-psychoanalytic diagnosis of people who have the unmitigated gall (and http://educate-yourself.org/ww/wilhelmreichcore1part15mar06.shtml">DOR) to disagree with him. But, after all, he's a Doctor. Wears a white shirt and everything!

The website of the author, Mark Sircus Ac., OMD: http://web.mac.com/medicalveritas/iWeb/Sanctuary Cancer Clinic/Home.htm">Sanctuary Cancer Clinic.

By the way, "Ac." means "Acupuncturist", and "OMD" means either Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark, or in this case, Oriental Medical Doctor. (BTW, I think that's an honorary OMD -- LOL.) He also claims a "DMP", which I have been unable to find a reference on, though licensed podiatrists use the DPM style. "DMP" means Doctor of Medical Physics in many countries, but all the medical physicists I ever met in the USA and Canada were MDs or PhDs.

Not only does he have a cancer center, he's the director of the prestigious http://imva.info/index.php/about/director/">International Medical Veritas Association

And he also has product: http://imva.info/">Nuclear Toxicity Syndrome

Would it surprise you to learn that he's anti-vaccine? To get to the "vaccines-kill-children" section, scroll down below the "radiation will kill everybody" section.

--d!

[flamingdem]

7. That site supplies some good info and some whack info

so filter as you will.

It's a starting point for research and he does simply review many things that are in the news.

Over time one learns how to distinguish the bs. There is a very patronizing crew here at DU that insists on attacking rather than adding more information.

Many of us here know that the zealots have warned us ahead of the "experts" on many issues and that media blackouts and disinformation are real and require workarounds.

[MineralMan]

10. That site is full of shit, and is paid for by ads from quacks.

I would not trust anything posted there, without independent confirmation from reliable sources. It is one of the worst quackery advertising sites on the Internet. See my examples below.

[flamingdem]

12. Real disinformation: Water not safe for babies! (yesterday) Water safe for babies (today)! nt

[MineralMan]

16. Yup. The levels of radioactivity are down from yesterday.

That's why.

[flamingdem]

18. You are over 65, no young kids, you don't live in California

so why not just leave it to those who might be interested in an alternative viewpoint?

There have been plenty of editorials posted here before from a variety of sources of differing quality but you chose to trip on this one, so it's your issue ultimately. My complaint is that the squadron of those who attack on this issue don't bring much information to this site. Except their complaints about those who are concerned. They believe they are "helping" but they are not. They are just cranky as hell and feel themselves to be superior, we shall see in the end how this plays out but until it's over no one knows the "facts".

[flamingdem]

19. As to the drinking water and your confidence, would you drink it?

This is the point. The truth is being stretched out of shape. You don't see that. They cannot take care of 35 million people with bottled water. The govt has to control the panic, any parent with means will not be using municipal water for a long time for their kids.

[MineralMan]

21. Would I drink it? Yes. I drink the tap water in Saint Paul,

and all I have to assure me that it's safe is the water treatment lab. Why do you assume that they'd announce one day that the water was not safe for one specific group, then announce it was back to normal? Not everyone in government is a liar.

Yes, I'd drink it. And I would have done the same on the day they said it was unsafe for infants. I haven't been an infant for almost 65 years, and minuscule amounts of radiation won't have time to cause any cancer in me before I die. So, sure, I'd drink the water, but I'd check daily for the current report.

[Art_from_Ark]

23. I believe I can say that I have more at stake in this than most DUers

I live in southern Ibaraki, 100 miles from the reactors. I am currently in Tokyo. Thus, it is of the utmost importance for me to have the most accurate information possible about the situation. I have talked with geoscientists whom I trust about the water here. The radiation levels in the Tokyo tap water in some places rose momentarily because of rain that was blown in from the north (that is, from the reactor area). The radiation levels were considered above the tolerable limit for infants, but not for adults (except for expecting/nursing mothers). Then the rain ended, the winds shifted, and radiation levels in the water are returning to lower levels.

[tahrir]

25. are you drinking the tap water?

I hear bottle water is getting scarce in Tokyo.

My family lives in Osaka, and I am starting to get concerned for them now, too. :'(

Best wishes to you and yours!

[Art_from_Ark]

26. There was panic buying of bottled water yesterday

and public service announcements on TV were asking people not to buy daily goods in excessive quantities. But I think things have calmed down a bit after an announcement was made that the radiation levels are subsiding. There was bottled water available in the convenience store I visited this morning. I will check again after I get off work.

Personally, I think your family will be OK in Osaka. :hi:

[Art_from_Ark]

27. Yes, I have tried the tap water

My geoscientist colleague has told me that the water levels are OK, and I even saw him filling his tea cup with hot water from the tap.

[flamingdem]

3. Reuters has a good summary of the health effects of isotops such as Caesium

... more at link below

Caesium-134 and Caesium-137

Vegetables in Japan have also been found tainted with up to 14,000 becquerels of cesium for every kilogram.

That exceeds the EU limit by over 11 times.

Eating a kilogram of such tainted vegetables every day for a month would accumulate radiation equivalent to a full body CT scan - or 20 millisieverts.
External exposure to large amounts of radioactive cesium can cause burns, acute radiation sickness and death. It can also increase the risk of cancer. Ingesting or inhaling cesium allows it to be distributed in soft tissues, especially muscle tissue, increasing cancer risk. It can also cause spasms, involuntary muscular contractions and infertility.

Unlike iodine, uptake of radioactive cesium cannot be prevented once the person is exposed.

This substance is of more concern than iodine-131 because it is very hardy and takes far longer to disintegrate.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/24/us-japan-radioactivity-idUSTRE72N0UD20110324?WT.tsrc=Social%20Media&WT.z_smid=twtr-reuters_%20com&WT.z_smid_dest=Twitter

[MineralMan]

11. A kilogram of those vegetables daily?

Really. A kilogram? Who eats 2.2 pounds of vegetables daily for a month?

Besides, the contaminated vegetables have been found and will not be sold for people to eat. More hyperbolic gobbledy-gook.

[flamingdem]

13. Vegetables 100-200 km from plant cannot be sold

source: NHK
Already, a lot of the vegetables that now cannot be sold are from farms 100-200km from the Fukushima plant and close to Tokyo.

[MineralMan]

17. Yes, it's a very bad incident. What would you have me do about

what has already happened? I've been opposing nuclear power generation since 1959. It hasn't stopped. So please give me a break and give everyone else a break by not posting junk articles from that site. Please research a little longer and post from legitimate sources. Thanks.

[MineralMan]

8. Naturalnews, eh?

A more useless site I cannot imagine. Here's one of the ads on the same page as this article, which, by the way was written by an acupuncturist. I don't believe actupuncture training includes a course on nuclear medicine:



Cure Cancer at Home? For just $5.15 per day.

No site with any integrity would accept such an ad. Many of the other ads in that block are just as bad. Pure quackery.

If you're going to post "All Radiation Will Kill You" stories, at least have the courtesy not to post them from quackery sites, please.

[MineralMan]

9. Here's another ad from your "reputable" source.

Click the link on that site. This ad tells you how to remove moles at home, using some liquid stuff they sell. Nowhere in the page that ad links to do they mention melanoma and why home remedies to remove melanoma, which can look just like any other mole, is a sure way to die early. Nope.

Bogus source. Bogus story. Bogus information.

[flamingdem]

14. I'm not sticking up for the site, consume info with caution, always nt

[MineralMan]

15. Bogus sites are best simply avoided. That's what I do with them.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. Chernoble was detecable in CA in 10 days.

So, there you go. Here is the State of Oregon's daily monitoring site. It has actual daily readings, and some perspective points to consider. One perspective point would be that you are looking at radiation tracking numbers and links for which you can do the same in other states, and the article cited makes a big fuss about an unnamed 'diplomat' having access to that same information. That line invokes the UN, diplomatic status, the AP, Vienna and and implication of secret information to present something we can all look up online, daily. Ask yourself why that is, why the fanfare to build up to what you can see here:
http://public.health.oregon.gov/Preparedness/CurrentHazards/Pages/DailyAirMonitoring.aspx

[flamingdem]

22. This disaster is only just starting, ships 250 miles from Japan getting radiation

If you extrapolate this could be very bad for the West Coast fishing if any radiation is detected there. The key to everything is preventing more releases but there are more every day and some of this crap is cumulative.


http://www.kirotv.com/news/27292399/detail.html
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Low Levels Of Radiation Found On Ship At Port Of Tacoma


The container ship that had higher than normal levels of radiation on board has been moved from Tacoma to Seattle.

The Hyundai Oakland from Shanghai arrived early Tuesday morning in Tacoma. Overnight, the ship was moved up to the Port of Seattle to continue offloading its cargo.

The Coast Guard boarded the ship on Tuesday as a routine security measure, and found increased levels of radiation in the engine's air filter.

Oh crap I just read this:
The Coast Guard said the closest the ship came to Japan was 250 miles.

[flamingdem]

24. To you Chernobyl statement: difference is the EXPLOSION that sent material worldwide

vs. the more local explosions and continuing fires and leaks. So Oregon
is not picking up anything much but 250 miles out a ship is contaminated, etc.

Regardless scientists are in agreement that tons of crap has been spewed.