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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:39 AM
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Dean leads Poll of Dem candidates
From a conservative polling group (Matt Towery).

http://insideradvantage.com/stories/2003/aug/14/1384641.shtml

"For the first time, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean is leading the Democratic field for the 2004 presidential elections, according to a new tracking poll taken by InsiderAdvantage in conjunction with MWI Research.

"Of respondents who said they plan to vote next year for someone other than President Bush, 15.6 percent indicated they would vote for Dean. This nearly doubles his percentage of 8.6 from the previous month’s poll. "
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:50 AM
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1. Another KRAP poll with no FIGURES!!
Edited on Fri Aug-15-03 11:50 AM by The Sushi Bandit
I think I'll start my own poll that will include the neighborhood kids, cats & dogs. It will have the same validity that this one has!!
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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:54 AM
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3. Polls
You have a better one Sushi?

I can't speak for national polls, I distrust them since the media is firmly in the hands of Republicans as witnessed by the 2000 election, and the constant drone of conservatism we see on the television and the radio. But even on this conservative media, in New Hampshire, in Iowa, and in California, Dean is near, if not the top candidate.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:14 PM
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4. Polls
where is the scrutiny? is it realy scientific? what was the size of the sample? where was it conducted, how was it conducted, was it impartial? can it be validated?

Open and Look at the link at the start of the thread.

There are no NUMBERS! come on, what KRAP

It looks like the work of "Deanieboopers"
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 02:03 PM
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6. It's a known conservative
organization. All we can really say from it is that they are taking him seriously.

Or maybe they just want us to THINK they are taking him seriously??

Believe what you want.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 02:11 PM
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7. Numbers
"Open and Look at the link at the start of the thread. "

There are no NUMBERS! come on, what KRAP"

"what was the size of the sample?"

From the link (it ain't much, but you wanted numbers):

The poll was conducted August 6-9. It sampled 500 Americans and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent.

InsiderAdvantage is conducting a running, monthly tracking poll of the 2004 presidential race and has polled more than 6,000 Americans since early January. The company is known for its accurate polling of political races in the 2002 elections.
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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:51 AM
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2. Green
As a green for Dean, I'm happy about that. I've had the feeling he was a head for a while, and the Republicans biggest fear would be a huge populist turnout.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 01:13 PM
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5. Sour grapes for some.....
but we know Dean is the leading contender! I just watched his Iowa Health Care segment on C-Span. He is way above all the rest. He not only has a plan, he can explain it in detail...As a health care provider, I could tell the difference.


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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 03:48 PM
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8. Dean is a doctor..no way will he go for universal coverage
anf thats what america realy needs!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 04:05 PM
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9. Dean on universal health care
...
For a year now, I have been traveling this country advocating a repeal of Bush's tax cuts so that we can provide universal healthcare and restore fiscal discipline. Many have questioned the political wisdom of challenging the president on politically popular tax cuts.

I believe, however, that given a choice between having health insurance or keeping all of the Bush's tax cuts in place, most Americans will choose health insurance. My plan will cost $88.3 billion -- less than half of the president's tax cut -- with money left over to pay down the deficits run up by this administration.

My plan consists of four major components.

First, and most important, in order to extend health coverage to every uninsured child and young adult up to age 25, we'll redefine and expand two essential federal and state programs -- Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. Right now, they only offer coverage to children from lower-income families. Under my plan, we cover all kids and young adults up to age 25 -- middle income as well as lower income. This aspect of my plan will give 11.5 million more kids and young adults access to the healthcare they need.

Second, we'll give a leg up to working families struggling to afford health insurance. Adults earning up to 185% of the poverty level -- $16,613 -- will be eligible for coverage through the already existing Children Health Insurance Program. By doing this, an additional 11.8 million people will have access to the care they need.

Many working families have incomes that put them beyond the help offered by government programs. But this doesn't mean they have viable options for healthcare. We'll establish an affordable health insurance plan people can buy into, providing coverage nearly identical to what members of Congress and federal employees receive.

To cushion the costs, we'll also offer a significant tax credit to those with high premium costs. By offering this help, another 5.5 million adults will have access to care.

Third, we need to recognize that one key to a healthy America is making healthcare affordable to small businesses.We shouldn't turn our back on the employer-based system we have now, but neither should we simply throw money at it. We need to modernize the system so employers will have an option beyond passing rising costs on to workers or bailing out of the system entirely. Fortunately, we have a model of efficient, affordable and user-friendly healthcare coverage: the federal employee health system.

With the plan I've put forth to the American people, we'll organize a system nearly identical to the one federal workers and members of Congress enjoy. And we'll enable all employers with less than 50 workers to join it at rates lower than are currently available to these companies -- provided they insure their work force. I'll also offer employers a deal: The federal government will pick up 70% of COBRA premiums for employees transitioning out of their jobs, but we'll expect employers to pay the cost of extending coverage for an additional two months. These two months are often the difference between workers finding the health coverage they need, or joining the ranks of the uninsured.

Finally, to ensure that the maximum number of American men, women and children have access to healthcare, we must address corporate responsibility. There are many corporations that could provide healthcare to their employees but choose not to. The final element of this plan is a clear, strong message to corporate America that providing health coverage is fundamental to being a good corporate citizen. I look at business tax deductions as part of a compact between American taxpayers and corporate America. We give businesses certain benefits, and expect them to live up to certain responsibilities.
...
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=policy_statement_health

The plan will cost an estimated, "$88.3 billion". This is paid for from some of the money saved by repealing Bush's tax cuts.

The Dean proposal expands Medicaid and CHIP to ages 25 and under. CHIP is expanded to adults earning up to "185% of the poverty level" (currently, $16,613).

For the "capitalist" half of the Dean plan: Folks with high health premium costs recived "a significant tax credit" to cushion the costs. The current "employer-based system" in use now will be modernized by upgrading it to the same healthcare coverage that "federal workers and members of Congress" have available to them.

Small buisnesses of less than 50 workers get lower rates than their larger competitors. Employers pick up the tab for 2 months in between jobs, but the costs of the COBRA premiums for those 2 months are subsidized, at 70%, by the federal government for employers. Corporations will receive "business tax deductions" as an incentive for supplying health care to their employees.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 04:26 PM
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10. Deans health insurance "Band-aid Plan" totaly misses the mark
It keeps insurance companies in our pockets and the health industry lobby money in his pockets!

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