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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:32 AM
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ADL: Anti-Semitism Resurfaces At Jedwabne
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Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor from Poland, issued the following statement:

This morning a shrill voice of hate was heard at Jedwabne. On the monument to the over 300 Jews forced into a barn by their Polish neighbors and burned alive, vandals wrote, "They burned easily" and "Do not apologize for Jedwabne." Seventy years after that heinous act of mass murder, the anti-Semitism that inspired it has again been expressed at the very site.

We believe it is important that that the President add his voice and speak out forcefully to condemn both the act and the hate, to demonstrate to all of Poland and beyond that anti-Semitism has no place in Polish society and that those who do espouse it and express it bring only dishonor to themselves. His strong voice, as the highest elected official, will overpower the small and cowardly voice of the vandals.

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Jedwabne pogrom

The Jedwabne pogrom (pronounced ) of July 1941 during German occupation of Poland, was a massacre of at least 340<1><2> Polish Jews of all ages. These are the official findings of the Institute of National Remembrance, "confirmed by the number of victims in the two graves, according to the estimate of the archeological and anthropological team participating in the exhumation," wrote prosecutor Radosław J. Ignatiew, quoted in The neighbors respond by Polonsky & Michlic.<3>

A treason and murder trial was launched by Poland's communist regime in 1949, which was later condemned as a miscarriage of justice.<4> After a fresh investigation concluded in 2004, the Polish Institute of National Remembrance stated the crime was committed by Polish inhabitants of the town,<5><6> in the presence of Nazi German Ordnungspolizei. The involvement of German paramilitary forces of the SS and Gestapo remains the subject of debate, especially the role of Nazi German Einsatzgruppe Zichenau-Schroettersburg.<7><8><9><10><11> According to some later commentators, many people were shocked by the findings, which contrast with the rescue of Jews by Poles during the Holocaust.<12><13><14>
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 07:37 AM
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1. Poland was one of the most, if not the most antisemetic country
in Europe at the time of WWII. It doesn't appear to have changed much since.
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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:25 AM
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2. Holocaust Survivor
Foxman's claim to be a Holocaust survivor is not based on having been in a concentration camp. Foxman did indeed survive the Holocaust, but he was a Christian living in Lithuania until after the war.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:32 AM
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3. And the relevance of this to the article is what?
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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 09:18 PM
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4. Edited for Clarity
The first sentence reads: Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor from Poland, issued the following statement.

For the sake of clarity, it ought to read: Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, issued the following statement.

The edited statement corrects the misleading suggestion that Foxman is a Holocaust survivor. Of course he is, but only in the sense that you and I are 9/11 survivors.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 10:39 PM
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5. So, it was just nit-picking.
I'll keep this in mind.
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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:46 AM
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6. Foxman's Track Record
Foxman's claim to be a Holocaust survivor suggests he has moral standing to oppose the Muslim Center in downtown New York City, a clearly bigoted viewpoint. However, his misleading claim of surviving the Holocaust is no more true than if he also claimed to have "survived" the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Maybe he ought to add this additional claim to his press releases.

Abe Foxman, a native of Poland and a survivor of Hurricane Katrina, said today . . . "

Foxman's name stops me in my tracks because he's a prevaricator. If the guy is this misleading about important facts of his own biography, is there a reason to believe anything else he says?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:08 AM
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7. So, it is just a one logical fallacy after another for you?
It is interesting you don't address the actual article because of spite for the speaker. Sad, really. You just made up a string of nonsense. Also, it is and was possible for people to have survived the Holocaust and never have seen the inside of a concentration camp.
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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:28 AM
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8. Foxman
Foxman is a divisive figure who opposed the Muslim Center in lower Manhattan on the grounds that it's "not right" to build there. These statements caused such howls that he had to walk them back. After all, he's head of the Anti-Defamation League! Some nerve he's got to say such a thing.

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/CvlRt_32/5820_32.htm

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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:31 AM
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9. So? And that has WHAT to do with the article?!
Oh, that's right, NOT A FUCKING THING!
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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:49 AM
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10. Interpretation
Does the vandalism represent a revival of Nazism, as Foxman suggests, or is it just a kids' prank? If Foxman were a more credible source I'd be inclined to accept his interpretation. As things stand, however, Foxman is a guy who exaggerates his own biography.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 01:00 AM
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11.  Anti-Semites
are evil and so are the people that practice genocide against all humans.Are you concerned about the Israelis killing(murder) of the Arabs?I have noticed you are quick to come to the defense of the Israelis when they commit heinous crimes against their Arabs neighbors,let us be fair and condemn all such crimes.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 01:20 AM
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12. Conflating Israel and Jews?
That's a "no-no."
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Mosby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:06 PM
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13. you are saying the EXACT same thing that Glenn Beck said about George Soros
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 02:07 PM by Mosby
Congratulations, once again the far left meets the far right.
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Mosby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 02:14 PM
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14. "This is my Torah Scroll"
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 01:05 AM
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15. Poles march in protest of anti-Semitism, racism
More than 100 people marched in a Polish city on Sunday to protest racist and anti-Semitic attacks in the area.

A small counterdemonstration also was held by people chanting nationalist slogans, in the eastern city of Bialystok.

The "March of Unity," which was organized by lawmakers from the governing Civic Platform party, walked in silence from the city center to a monument of Ludwik Zamenhof, a Jewish doctor born in Bialystok, who invented the Esperanto language. The protesters gathered signatures under a manifesto calling for an end to a "wave of thoughtless hatred."

On Wednesday, a monument to hundreds of Jews who were burned alive by their Polish neighbors in Jedwabne village in World War II was desecrated.


Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/article_a41a4f4c-f3c4-59ff-a9ee-7f4017bf051d.html#ixzz1XFBCBbdS
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