Harper’s Magazine Presents: The 9/11 Effect

[Jefferson23]

On Wednesday, September 14, please join us in New York for Harper’s Magazine Presents: The 9/11 Effect.

Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! will be exploring the 9/11 Effect with lawyer and contributing editor Scott Horton, winner of a National Magazine Award for his Harper’s exposé of inmate abuse at Guantánamo Bay; Fordham Law School’s Karen Greenberg, former director of NYU’s Center on Law and Security and author of The Least Worst Place: Guantanamo’s First 100 Days; Petra Bartosiewicz, Harper’s contributor, most recently of “To Catch a Terrorist” in the August 2011 issue; and Michael German, ACLU Policy Counsel and former FBI Special Agent.

What began as an emergency law-enforcement response to a traumatic domestic attack has been institutionalized in what amounts to a state of permanent emergency. In the decade since the attacks of September 11, 2001, federal agencies have built a vast homeland-security infrastructure in which enhanced domestic intelligence and surveillance programs have become the norm. To better understand not only how these changes came to pass but how they have altered our legal and civic institutions, Harper’s Magazine has brought together a panel of leading journalists, lawyers, and policy experts to discuss and debate the legacy of the U.S. war on terrorism.

Date: Wednesday, September 14th, 2011
Time: 7:00–8:30 p.m.
Location: Center for Place, Culture and Politics, City University of New York, 365 Fifth Avenue, Room 6408, New York, NY 10016

[Dawson Leery]

1. k/r

[glowing]

2. I'm so tired of 9/11 I don't want to hear about it on the right, left, or center.

It was a horrible day.. American's lost their lives, minds, and a whole lot of civil liberties.. not to mention two unwarranted wars to boot (that have cost us dearly in blood and treasury). I'm for tired of hearing about any of it. I avoid all news programs for most of this week and on the day of 9/11. Its supposed to be some ratings bonanza. The reality is more people are worried about jobs in this country than could care about a 9/11 holiday theme. You would think it was the 4th of July the way it is exploited and used for ill.

[Jefferson23]

5. Are you suggesting this group is expoliting it and using it for ill? n/t

[glowing]

6. They certainly use it for trying to point out ills... They aren't so rah, rah.

If other's are still into hearing more and more about the subject, than more power to them... What else is new that hasn't been discussed. Shoot, we still don't have the truth surrounding the day and the players involved... Covering it is exploitative to me.

[Jefferson23]

7. Covering it is exploitive to you.

If it is exploitive to cover issues that are yet to be resolved and continue to bare consequences then I guess I fail to
comprehend the meaning of the word..exploitive.

[glowing]

8. Yes it is, and I do what I do to stay away from all discussion of it.

If everyone else wants to go down memory lane, then they can watch and discuss.. I choose not to.

[Jefferson23]

9. No one twisted your arm to post here in the first place, take care to identify the exploited. n/t

[freedom fighter jh]

13. Maybe the problem is that while everyone (in the media) wants to talk about 9/11 . . .

. . . almost no one who is in a position to be heard wants to talk about what really happened. We hear about it constantly, but all we hear is the implausible official story.

[glowing]

14. That is part of the issue I have with 9/11... and the fact that

because of the event, this country lost its head.. We started wars for no purpose. We were lied to about the entire event, including the post investigation. There are not too many, including some on the right, who believe the "official account" of what supposedly happened. There was no real healing; just some sort of enraged and inflamed push for revenge. AND how has that revenge gone? What has this country and its citizens lost because of this "revenge"? Way too much IMO. So, hearing the corporate media go on and on about it enrages me more. The media is supposed to investigate and keep the Government honest. They jumped on the band wagon of revenge. They didn't allow any debate for entering into war. They silenced critics. They called people with questions loony conspiracy followers. AND now they want to treat 9/11 like its Labor Day or Memorial Day. Most people want to return to sanity; not continue taking their shoes off and going thru porn scans and groping sessions while flying. We literally now have unmanned drones flying along our Southern border into Mexico. Torture is now ok... in fact Americans think that its ok to use sleep deprivation and use water boarding as a necessary tool to fight the evil Muslims that want to kill us for our "freedoms". Dick Cheney has outlined his approved torture techniques in print, and yet, no one has made one single move to prosecute him or the others who approved of these techniques. Our Democratic party refused to investigate, impeach, or evaluate any of the programs when taking over. In fact, they have stopped other countries from trying to prosecute. AND now Dick is back on tv, selling his book, making money, and still free as a bird. He actually has the audacity to say President Obama is making us less safe, even though this attack happened on their watch, they screwed up the wars, and now they call the man who actually killed bin Ladin "weak on Terror". Seriously, we had to look forward. This will be viewed as another mistake, much like not looking into and prosecuting the whole Iran-Contra shit and the BCCI issues with the first Bush..

Looking forward only makes them bolder when they come back around again in the future.

[Jefferson23]

15. This particular group has done a great deal of excellent follow up, especially

Scott Horton. To suggest they are exploiting the event is not true, on any level.

[truedelphi]

11. Our household feels the same way.

And nobody in the country collected the $ 100,000 prize for explanation of how the laws of physics were suspended on one day, and one day alone, allowing two skyscrapers to fall at basically the speed of gravity.

And even Jon Stewart, who keeps a distance between himself and the Nine/Eleven Truthers Movement, stated on a recent show that "The CIA knew ahead of time about the attack but didn't bother telling anyone else."

Also, nothing that the TSA people are doing at airports adds up to us being any safer security-wise. it's a sham, and it is just techniques to make us feel embarrassed and dis-empowered.

[MessiahRp]

12. If only that were true since the CIA did tell someone else. Bush. And he sent the agent away.

"All right you covered your ass now."

Vacation > American Lives.

Rp

[truedelphi]

16. Condi brought Bush a memo from national Security on Aug 6th 2001.

I had not heard about an agent approaching Bush, and Bush sending him away. If you are willing to share the details, that would be neat.

but Condi Rice4 also knew that Sept 11th was the day, as she told her friend Willie Brown not to fly into New York City that morning, and he listened to her.

She mentioned her conversation to Willie later on CNN (May 2002 or '03) Some people recorded her making the staemnt.

[MessiahRp]

17. Per your request...

Here's the info you requested (emphasis mine):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/19/AR2006061901211.html

Tenet and his loyalists also settle a few scores with the White House here. The book's opening anecdote tells of an unnamed CIA briefer who flew to Bush's Texas ranch during the scary summer of 2001, amid a flurry of reports of a pending al-Qaeda attack, to call the president's attention personally to the now-famous Aug. 6, 2001, memo titled "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US." Bush reportedly heard the briefer out and replied: "All right. You've covered your ass, now." Three months later, with bin Laden holed up in the Afghan mountain redoubt of Tora Bora, the CIA official managing the Afghanistan campaign, Henry A. Crumpton (now the State Department's counterterrorism chief), brought a detailed map to Bush and Cheney. White House accounts have long insisted that Bush had every reason to believe that Pakistan's army and pro-U.S. Afghan militias had bin Laden cornered and that there was no reason to commit large numbers of U.S. troops to get him. But Crumpton's message in the Oval Office, as told through Suskind, was blunt: The surrogate forces were "definitely not" up to the job, and "we're going to lose our prey if we're not careful."

[jtrockville]

3. Wow, Amy Goodman and Scott Horton. Wish I could be there.

Anyone know if this will be taped and made available?

[Jefferson23]

4. There is no mention of a taping yet I am hoping Amy will use her

show at a later point in time and cover it.

[KoKo]

10. K&R...Hope there will be video or MP3 of this. Thanks for heads up