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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:02 PM
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Columbia University Warned Over Students’ Dinner With Ahmadinejad
September 15, 2011

(JTA) -- An Israeli rights group has warned Columbia University of legal repercussions following an invitation to some students for a dinner with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Members of Columbia's International Relations Council and Association were invited via e-mail to a private meal Sept. 21 with Ahmadinejad, the school's Spectator newspaper reported. Some 15 students will attend the dinner, which is still tentative, according to the Columbia publication.

Ahmadinejad is coming to New York to participate in the annual meeting of the United Nations General Assembly next week. His controversial address at Columbia in 2007 embroiled the campus in hot debate over freedom of speech and academic freedom.

The Shurat HaDin-Israel Law Center in Tel Aviv sent a letter to Columbia President Lee Bollinger condemning the invitation and warning that it could make the university liable to legal repercussions.

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http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/09/15/3089406/columbia-warned-over-students-dinner-with-ahmadinejad
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:05 PM
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1. Can someone explain
what "legal repercussions" the school might face?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:07 PM
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3. i was hoping the story would explain
but no luck. :thumbsdown:
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:06 PM
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2. fuck the Shurat HaDin-Israel Law Center in Tel Aviv
bizarre to think they would tell American students who they can eat with.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:08 PM
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4. I would like to learn how this is illegal. Threats against a university, I wonder if this law
center realizes who they sound like.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:08 PM
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5. I would have thought dinner with Ahmadinejad is its own punishment...
Edited on Thu Sep-15-11 01:12 PM by LeftishBrit
I mean, dealing with a nutty religious hard-right-winger when you're *eating*? He's worse than Pat Robertson. Those students must have been sick for a week.

But in what sense was it illegal?
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:49 PM
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8. What you said! nt
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:18 PM
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6. From SourceWatch on Nitsana Darshan-Leitner:
Nitsana Darshan-Leitner is a hardline Israeli lawyer who has on occasion launched lawsuits against organizations that purportedly assisted "terrorism". Together with David Schoen, she recently gained some notoriety for suing former President Jimmy Carter for having labelled Israel as an "apartheid state". Darshan-Leitner is the director of Shurat HaDin—Israel Law Center, an organization engaging in lawfare. Darshan-Leitner acts as the attorney for Jonathan Pollard, the convicted spy, in Israel.

John V. Walsh comments on Darshan-Leitner:

One of the lead lawyers from the Apartheid state is Nitsana Darshan-Leitner who rose to prominence just out of law school in the 1990s when she helped litigate a case on behalf of victims of the Achille Lauro hijacking of 1985 in which, tragically, one Jewish American was killed by terrorists who took over the ship. But she is silent these days on the killing of one Turkish American and six Turks aboard the Mavi Marmara, which attempted to break the blockade of Gaza.<1>

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1.↑ John V. Walsh, Carter Harassed with $5 Million Suit by Israeli Lawyers, CounterPunch, 15 February 2011.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Nitsana_Darshan-Leitner
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:37 PM
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7. So the university could be subject to quasi-legal harrassment for the dinner.
And such harassment should itself be subject to legal sanctions.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:51 PM
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9. I have not read anything that speaks to what they would consider illegal.
If the lawsuit they filed against Carter is an indication, perhaps one can draw conclusions to how well the merits of the lawsuit
would hold up here against Columbia.

snip* The plaintiffs alleged in a press release that the 39th US president and Nobel Peace Prize winner "violated the law and, thus, harmed those who purchased the book" by unfairly "attacking Israel."

Attorney Nitsana Darshan-Leitner said her clients' lawsuit "will expose all the falsehoods and misrepresentations in Carter's book and prove that his hatred of Israel has led him to commit this fraud on the public."

Publishing company Simon & Schuster, which is also targeted in the lawsuit, dismissed it as a frivolous act and a "chilling attack on free speech that we intend to defend vigorously."

"This lawsuit is frivolous, without merit, and is a transparent attempt by the plaintiffs, despite their contentions, to punish the author, a Nobel Peace prize winner and world-renowned statesmen, and his publisher, for writing and publishing a book with which the plaintiffs simply disagree," Simon & Schuster spokesman Adam Rothberg told the Washington Post.

A copy of the complaint can be viewed here ( see link )

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/03/carter-sued-5-million-attacking-israel-book/

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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 01:52 PM
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10. An update Purveyor
The alleged legal issue is interesting.

September 19, 2011, 9:00 pm
Guess Who’s Not Coming to Dinner

SNIP* But even if the dinner never takes place, it has already acquired enough of a media reality to be controversial. (In these days of that engine of derivatives called the Internet, no facts are needed.) On Sept. 14, one day after the Fox News story, the Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center sent Bollinger a letter asserting that because the U.S. State Department lists Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism, “hosting Ahmadinejad is not merely morally repulsive: it is illegal and will expose Columbia University and its officers to both criminal prosecution and civil Liability.” The letter then cites in support of that judgment Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project (2010), a Supreme Court decision that, it is said, “found that providing any assistance or support to terrorists is unlawful.”

That’s not quite right. What Holder holds is that it’s not just any assistance that is illegal; it’s “material support,” which includes, says the relevant statute, “any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities. Financial services, training, expert advice or assistance, safe houses, false documentation or identification, communications commitment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel … and transportation, except medical or religious materials.” The question then, is whether breaking bread and exchanging views with an official of a state that (we say) sponsors terrorism amounts to giving that state “material support.”

I put that question to Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, director of the Israel Law Center and author of the letter. She pointed out that the court held that even when the aid given to a “foreign terrorist organization” facilitates lawful activities, it is illegal because, freed from the necessity of paying for the lawful activity, the organization would have that much more money to spend on terrorism. I then asked exactly what aid would be provided by the rumored dinner. She replied that in addition to a banquet (her word), Ahmadinejad would be given a platform to express his opinions and the opportunity to advance his ideology, all the while operating under the legitimizing umbrella of a great American university.

But even if the dinner does occur and Ahmadinejad is given a platform and a legitimizing moment, such benefits would not rise to the level of the criteria listed in Holder. For if they did, if merely talking with Ahmadinejad or listening to him speak counted as “material support” that might be the basis of a criminal prosecution, there would be nothing left of the First Amendment, a point made forcefully by Justice Stephen Breyer in his dissent: “ere the law to accept a ‘legitimating’ effect … as providing sufficient grounds for imposing … a ban, the First Amendment battle would be lost in untold instances where it should be won. Once one accepts this argument, there is no natural stopping place.” Even saying “hello” to Ahmadinejad (as opposed to turning your back on him or spitting in his face ) would constitute the proscribed material support. No court will stretch Holder that far.

So there is no legal case here and there may very well be no dinner; and there will certainly not be the kind of dinner that led the Israel Law Center to issue its warning. So why write about it, whatever “it” turns out to be? Because it raises questions I have been trying to answer while I work on a book about academic freedom. Why has the conflict between Israel and much of the Arab world become a third-rail topic in the academy? Why do so many of the incidents in which academic freedom is invoked by both sides center on that conflict? How can even a non-event, as this appears to be, release virulent energies and give rise to rants and counter-rants that threaten to go viral?

in full: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/guess-whos-not-coming-to-dinner/?hp
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Papagoose Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 02:09 PM
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11. Wish I could get an invitation
I have a few things I'd like to say to this guy.

And I own nothing worthwhile, so sue me.
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