How is This?: "Kill a Black Man" is Still a BUCKET LIST Item for Authoritarian Southern Males

[vets74]

Get us be clear about what happened to Troy Davis. This killing is like the Serbians and the Hutus in Rwanda in 1994, who set about murdering their Muslim and Tutsi rivals. This was a simple all-out arrogant racist murder.

Yes, Americans do the same crimes.

Our system of laws would be well served within the Eleventh Circuit -- and the Fifth and the Fourth and TN and KY in the Sixth -- by recognizing that organized community groups espouse racist hatred. A local legal system in the South has proved yet again that it cannot be trusted for honesty or impartiality.

This judicial killing served the authoritarian/racist male BUCKET LIST, not justice.

The Governor of Georgia, Sonny Perdue by his silence as ascent, and his buddies/appointees on the Board of Probations and Paroles and the cops and the prosecutors -- all upstanding citizens -- got their tickets punched.

Their BUCKET LISTs got that Most Prized achievement:

1. Kill a Black Man.

Executing a guilty Black murderer would not count. Not a dime. They had to get hands on an ordinary Black man and stop him from breathing. Getting to kill a Black woman would not have been quite the same. Slaveholder treatment of Black females went a different direction from killing them.

This murder of Troy Davis was an example of tribal fury focused to kill one man.

Murder by team work. A conspiracy of lies.

"Before I die, I'm gonna get me one...." madness and hatred. Of course they knew he was innocent. That's what made the killing so important to them. Any chance of him being guilty would have lessened the high.

Do not be surprised to see these fine men have a party to celebrate. If one might suggest, they can do it a week before the Masters golf tournament in Augusta. (The seasonal calendar for Georgia begins with The Masters and the new magnolia blossoms.)

They will not have to burn a cross this year. They have already "burned" a Black man.

Murder, itself, in this fashion is entirely singular. Murder for racist pleasure represents an authoritarian triumph, a triumph of the racist Will beyond all other. Take the joy of hunting deer or fishing for bass and multiply this joy by a thousand. The rival male is reduced to a corpse.

Those with sympathy for the White Citizens Council, the John Birch Society (a.k.a. "Tea Party"), for Rick Perry and Ron Paul, for the "Base" of the Republican Party -- those folks are free to object that these characterizations are unfair. Good luck with that.

(I was raised in part in Georgia, in Fort Valley south of Atlanta. This posting doesn't convey a tenth of the black hearted racist evil that we witnessed. Passage of these several decades doesn't seem to have changed a thing when we consider Troy Davis. Also, finally, writing "Black man" is a bow to the sensibilities of this web site -- an earlier effort was erased asap. "Black man" is not the choice of diction that best reflects what I know of these authoritarian/racist BUCKET LISTS.)

[eleny]

1. thank you, vets74

i hope you post more often.

[MineralMan]

8. You appreciate regionalistic prejudice?

I'm very surprised to read that.

[eleny]

16. I've had too many unfortunate experiences in the realm of racism

They didn't take place in the south. They happened in Queens, NYC where I grew up.

My first apartment was around the corner from the block where I grew up. The first time I had a diverse bunch of friends over to my place for a small party the next morning I found all the tires on my car flattened. And I was told flat out that it was because of who I "brought into the neighborhood".

Then, the next time I had the same friends over - a mixed group of Hispanic, white and black - the police actually walked right into my apartment. A lady who was walking her dog when I let some friends in at the front door of the 3 family house called my landlord downstairs and told them that a black man entered the house with his own key. It was a lie because I let everyone in and btw, I knew the dog walker my whole life. She was an acquaintance of my family. She had to have seen me at the front door.

I moved to an integrated state subsidized apartment complex within 2 months.

If this happened in NYC in 1973 then I'm not surprised that the OP, who lived in Georgia for a portion of their life had experiences that framed their point of view expressed above. My point of view was formed by my experiences in NYC. As one of my black coworkers once told me back then - in the south the racism is overt while in the north it's often covert.

Stay surprised if you feel it. But it doesn't surprise me that racism is alive, well and thriving in the south today even with good people living and struggling there.

[vets74]

17. "Regionalistic prejudice" is an excuse of DIGGS PATRIOTS ideology

New York in 1973 was a battleground. Crack had just arrived on the scene and the Vietnam War was still roiling the psychic waters.

Not that the Draft Riots from the Civil War had been the end of NYC racial hatred. Parts of Queens were ArchyBunkerville.

Still, Georgia today has authoritarian racists that you will not find in New York State. Same for Texas. Same for Alabama. The religious institutions are different from NY -- Southern Baptist Convention is deeper into fascism than the Mussolini crew in 1920. The education systems are different. There's nothing in NYC like the worst of Johnny Reb trashiness.

In Georgia in 1973, they might well have torched your car. Or dolled it up to look like the ambush scene from Bonnie & Clyde.

NYC was never Bombingham.

[eleny]

19. I agree

Having ones tires flattened in Queens is like being tapped on the shoulder. Being lynched in the south or having your church bombed - I'll just say it's a world away from having tires flattened.

Opposition to your threads here at DU is disturbing.

[vets74]

24. They're operating from their home turf...

despite that the website is hosted wherever, being read all over the world.

Google < digg patriots >

Wack-job righties set about controlling the rating system at digg.com. For quite a while they succeeded.

Dailykos.com is under a similar attack today. Industry and political interest groups finance shills by the dozens.

At the same time, the Republican Party is running one helluva shell game. Their voter pool is a combination of vastly disparate interests:

-- the largest... anti-abortion "Unborn Child" churchgoers (~40%)

-- these KKKwannabe usually-pissant racists (~20%)

-- Personality Disorder psychos. Not the Axis I physiologically based mental illnesses such as Major Depression and Schizophrenia. Just the run-of-the-mill Axis II P.D. disorders: narcissism, paranoia, histrionics, sociopathy, etc. Whatever reminds you of Palin and Cheney. Folks who are wacked enough to go for the Birther scam, 9/11 added-explosives conspiracies, or identify with Tom deLay as a preacher for their church. (~10%)

-- Big time criminals. And the ordinary frat-boy style criminals. For them, government is a means to steal. Head count is small, but the donations are ENRONish.

No surprise that these Republicans promote such as the Digg Patriots. Attacking democrats is the one and only way they have to stay in business.

We're the "baby killers," don'tcha know.
If not, then just listen to the radio.

The Dow's down 500 points today -- sure to be blamed on Obama's American Jobs Act 2011. As crazy as the 1970s.

[MineralMan]

20. That's not my issue here. Yes, there is unfair treatment of blacks

and other minorities, but it is not limited to the South, by any means, and the vast majority of Southerners do not engage in such behavior. The OP is regionalism at its worst. Racism is everywhere. We have it here in the Twin Cities of Minnesota, aimed at blacks, asians, and just about any ethnic group you can imagine. Sometimes it is expressed violently, as it is in most places.

[eleny]

22. I believe that you're in denial

America's problems can't be resolved with that state of mind.

[Hosnon]

23. No, you and the OP are the ones in denial.

It might be easier to try to boil the issue down to a Southern thing, but the reality is much more complicated.

This problem can't be resolved with your state of mind.

[eleny]

29. It's not just a "Southern thing" but the south has to own its recent bloody history

The Op has every right to talk about his own experience. And you might try to practice some understanding of what he's gone through in his life. You pounced too quickly, imo. Fact finding would serve you better than jumping to conclusions about his motivation.

Please take the last word. I'm done.

[Hosnon]

31. Personal/anecdotal experiences are no excuse for bigotry. nt.

[MineralMan]

2. I don't think this is clearly a regional thing, and I think it is

representative of the thoughts of only a tiny, tiny minority in any case. I believe you're exaggerating the concept here, and attempting to make it more prevalent than it actually is.

That black men are punished more severely and more frequently by our court systems and penal system is well-known, and is in no way limited to the South. It happens everywhere in the US.

In the rare cases where a black man is murdered by a white man or a group of white men acting solely on the basis of skin color, condemnation is general in every region of this country. Indeed, Texas just executed a man for just that thing and that execution was almost universally supported, except by those, like myself, who oppose all use of the death penalty.

My bottom line is that your OP exaggerates a phenomenon that may be real, but is limited to a tiny minority of people, and is not limited to Southern states.

While you may have cleaned up the language, the error I'm talking about still persists in your post. I believe it is unfairly regional in nature and way overstated.

[vets74]

3. You don't get it. They're still the Slave States.

The core of it hasn't changed. Regional difference is real and thick enough to walk on.

I fought my way through grammar school and junior high. My Dad had integrated a canning plant in Florida. All Hell broke loose. After my Dad died of a heart attack that he had at the plant, the next kid that jumped me got his own ticket to the hospital. You can imagine what the Blacks went through.

Owning slaves poisoned The South. That is not cured. And no other part of the country went so far into racist evil.

Frankly, you are kidding yourself. No governor outside the Slave States would have allowed Troy Davis to be executed -- as surely Sonny Perdue could have spoken up and stopped this execution in a day.

[MineralMan]

6. You are not competent to determine whether I get it or not.

You have made a statement here. I disagree with it, and have provided my reasons for that disagreement.

As for your claim that no state outside of the slavery states would execute a person who was either innocent or questionably guilty, you are simply incorrect. It has occurred in every state that uses the death penalty. That very thing is the reason many states have stopped using the death penalty, notably Illinois. And for the very reason you state.

I'm sorry, but I believe your post to be incorrect on its face.

[Hosnon]

4. This is bullshit and regional bigotry - alerting.

Serbians and Hutus were not afforded due process - Troy Davis was; there is no ubiquitous "bucket list" in the South with "kill a black man" on it; his innocence was not "known" - it may have been strongly supported by the evidence, but not "known"; and I would be extremely surprised if a party were held to celebrate this, and greatly resent that suggestion.

Hopefully the mods lock this thread because it is patently absurd.

[vets74]

5. Good luck with that.

[DrDan]

7. unrec

one further disgusting post

bigotry and racism is not confined to the south.

[MineralMan]

9. Not only is it not confined to the South, it is not representative

of the South in a general sense.

[Hosnon]

10. +1. nt.

[DrDan]

12. exactly - I have lived in the south for the past 28 years

I know there are KKK extremists here - but they are also in Indiana, California, Pennsylvania, Ohio etc.

[nolabear]

11. I want to know what you want to accomplish by this post.

I recently visited the International Museum of Civil Rights in Greensboro NC. They pull no punches. THey exhibit enormous, backlit photos of burned bodies and Emmett Till in his coffin. They exhibit items from the church that was bombed in Birmingham. It becomes hard to breathe. But not once did I have the sense, as I did when reading your post, that there was anything other than "Let's right these wrongs together. We can overcome, ALL of us, the things white people have done that set us apart."

I recently received a map in the mail from an anti-hate group, showing concentrations of White Supremecist, Klan and other ultraviolent racist hate groups. Many are in the SOuth. Many are not.

I think you make three mistakes. One, by limiting your rant to Southerners you let those who are in other places feel superior and well hidden. And by raging (as opposed to expressing righteous, powerful anger) you both alienate the many reasonable Southerners who now feel alienated, and you further harden the already hard hearts of those who might fit your description.

So what is your purpose? Real question.

[Hosnon]

13. I'm curious why the mods are letting this stand.

Hopefully they're just backed up.

[DrDan]

14. and it is cross-posted into another forum

[Hosnon]

15. Which one? nt.

[DrDan]

18. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=224x5201

[enough]

21. So let's just take the word "Southern" out of the OP, and I think it's actually a pretty good

assessment of the reasons why Troy Davis died.

[vets74]

25. Our Nation's Wicked Step-Sister...

As long as Southerners are cowards like Sonny Perdue and vote for authoritarian racists, what is your excuse for them ?

New York gives us a joke: Anthony Weiner.

Texas gives us Tom DeLay.

The list of Republican Senators and Representatives from the former Slave States pretty much defines America's Far Right. If you want to find the men who back militarism, oppose human rights, and back tax giveaways then go south !

The West has its several wack jobs. Nothing to match The South. Only in Georgia would you find a Saxby Chambliss.

Btw: lefties can wear the "I am Troy Davis" tee shirts. Mine says "D.A.V."

[nolabear]

26. John Birch Society Council as of 2010

Nathaniel E. Adamson, Jr. - Charlottesville, Virginia
Robert K. Bell - Executive Committee, Tulsa, Oklahoma
William H. Blewster - Mesa, Arizona
Ray Clark - Lake Arrowhead, California
Arthur D. Crino - Executive Committee, Tigard, Oregon
Clark L. Curry - Executive Committee, Edmond, Oklahoma
David Eisenberg - Tucson, Arizona
Paul Leithart - Columbus, OH
Nelson Bunker Hunt - Dallas, Texas
Daniel L. McBride - Simi Valley, California
John F. McManus - Wakefield, Massachusetts
Dominick Odorizzi - Northridge, California
Jess Roques - Jackson, Mississippi
F. Ward Rowley - New London, New Hampshire
Glen J. Schmitz - Springfield, Minnesota
Thomas D. Sellers - Bloomfield Hills, Michigan
George Wallace - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Clifford Wasem - Executive Committee,Clarkston, Washington

I kind of hate getting drawn into this because I'm not an apologist for the very real problems in the South, but your brush is so broad that I think you do more harm to your apparent desire to remediate things than you could.

[vets74]

27. White Citizens Councils + John Birch Society =REBRANDED= Tea Party

And as you know, the Birch Society was founded by Fred Koch and his pack of end-of-the-world anti-commie paranoids.

White Citizens Councils... forget who they were ?

Add 'em together and that's the Tea Party. No more, no less.

[enough]

28. I'm afraid my post was unclear. I intended to say that I think your analysis of the

motivation behind the execution of Troy Davis is correct. It has to do with a racist desire/need/wish to kill black men. Part of that desire it to "prove oneself" as a real man.

No way am I making any "excuse" for anyone. I simply meant that we can drop the argument about "southern," and your point is still valid. I actually thought I was agreeing with you.

[vets74]

30. Then thank you !

My added point is an assertion that The South is indeed different.

It's also an area where a Gator football fan -- of which I am one -- could lose it and kill a visiting fan from another school. That killing involved bashing in the kid's brains. Alcohol + SEC football is another toxic mix.

Best to all --

[3waygeek]

32. Uh, guys..

Sonny Perdue isn't Governor of Georgia anymore. Nathan Deal became Governor earlier this year. Not that it makes much of a difference.