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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 09:51 AM
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Mike Hickerson-Recall? It's a Coincidence
This is a must read on the recall.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/03/08/20_recall.html

Recall? It's a Coincidence

August 20, 2003 · There is no secret that California is in a fiscal crisis today. What seems strange is the unwillingness of Bush and Co. to help - surely attempts by Washington DC to ease the economic woes of the most powerful economic engine in the country would augur some assistance to avoid prolonging the Bush recession. Sadly, this is not to be. It turns out our suspicions about the evil hands in the California disaster du jour have actual substance. By Mike Hickerson


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vaberk Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 01:59 PM
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1. Don't Just Blame Bush....Davis/Establishment Dems have blame.
California's can't just blame Republicans for energy mess.

Cruz Bustamante was a coauthor of the electricity deregulation bill. (AB1890)

Steve Peace, then a Democratic state senator from the San Diego area, led the committee that drafted the final bill. Peace is now Gov. Davis' finance director.

Not a single Democrat voted against the bill. (AB1890) It passed with significant support from Democrats in Sacto.

All of the bond's issued were buy the Davis Administration. They selected the banks.

Govenor Davis' CPUC approved the bailout of Southern California Edison.

Governor Davis signed the contracts with the generators that will cost us $40 million over the past five years.

Governor Davis signed the bill that ended the ability of consumers to choose green-energy providers, wiping out one of the most lucrative markets for wind, solar and geothermal energy in the nation with one swift move of his pen.

Progressives must not fall for Davis' blame game. He should take responsibility for his actions and we should hold him accountable.

Vaberk
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displacedvermoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 03:31 PM
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2. Was the recall movement, a progressive initiative of the late 19th Century
started with an eye towards removing governors who made a policy fuck up? Or was it intended to root out corruption? Are you saying Davis attained personal gain from these contracts he signed? Didn't the voters of California know about these energy decisions prior to the 2002 election, when they voted him back into office? And didn't the GOP have a perfect opportunity to point all this stuff out, and if they didn't do a god enough job in doing so, why do they suddenly get another chance now?

Just wondering.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 07:19 PM
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3. not a god enough job
yeah, that sums it up.
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vaberk Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 12:58 PM
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7. Was the recall movement, a progressive initiative of the late 19th Century
The ReCall movement was a progressive initiative of the early 20th century. Passed during Hiram Johnson's first year in office -- 1911.

GOP gets another chance because it is in the Consitution and they gathered the required signatures. This reform was part of the same bundle of reforms to increase the ability of people to directly participate in politics though initiatives, referendum and yes recall.

It was intended to allow people to recall a governor if nore than 50% wanted to....
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 07:23 PM
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4. No, Republicans just took advantage of the situation
I guess when people voted for deregulation, they thought
there would be free market competition, lower rates,
perhaps even companies that would go green....but in
reality it was the open door for the gaming industry...
with lots of cute names that in the end just put some
small businesses out of work, made it hard to senior
citizens to pay their energy bills and eat at the same time,
spoiled lots of food in restaurants and homes when the
blackouts rolled them and raised rates on anyone not
connected to private power systems.

I don't think you are a friend of DU but hang here....
you might learn some real compassion.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 02:11 PM
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5. oh man
you say all that and never once mention ENRON???????????????? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 12:39 PM
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 01:05 PM
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8. howabout Bush?
Yeah, remove Bush since he's really the center of
the BIG MESS in this country. Remove him. Or do
you have a problem with placing blame on a Republican?
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vaberk Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 02:50 PM
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9. No ability to recall bush!
The onloy process to remove bush is by impeachment. impeachment is not the peoples choice...it is left to the Congress. Voters will get their chance in November of 2004. there is not a recall provision in the U.S. Constitution. In California we have one.
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robertarctor Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 12:51 AM
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10. sorry, pal
You've been trying to peddle that "Bustamante authored the de-reg legislation" canard on at least one other thread.

I'm busting your ass here, too.

Cruz Bustamante is listed as one of 42 assembly persons, in addition to 22 senators, who co-authored that legislation. He wasn't one of the three additional assembly persons and three senators who were listed as a "principal co-authors," and he didn't introduce the bill. (Jim Brulte, a Republican, did.)

What you're doing here is akin to accusing Vanuatu of invading Iraq because it was a member of the "coalition of the willing": technically, correct, but from any other standard of evaluation, wildly inaccurate. No cigar, pally.

And the rest of your post, the attack on Gray Davis, stinks to high heaven, too.

The RNC better start hiring better scriptwriters pronto, because that pooch ain't gonna hunt.

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