Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Wesley Clark: The Guy Who Almost Started World War III

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Editorials & Other Articles Donate to DU
 
durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:51 PM
Original message
Wesley Clark: The Guy Who Almost Started World War III
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jatras12.html

General Wesley Clark, former Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) and Friend of Bill's (FOB) is considering a run for President of these United States. In an AP report of 29 June, former-President William Jefferson Clinton stated that Wesley Clark would make a fine president, if he ran. After all, what are friends for? There is also a grassroots campaign effort to "draft Wesley Clark" for president which states, "We believe America needs a new president. One who can be a voice for common sense and moderation in these dangerous, uncertain times. One with the unquestionable leadership and foreign policy credentials necessary to win in 2004. We believe that General Wesley Clark might just be – the one. That is why we are trying to convince him to seek the Democratic nomination for president."

Let us look at what kind of a president Wesley Clark would make according to CounterPunch of November 12, 1999, "The poster child for everything that is wrong with the GO (general officer) corps," exclaims one colonel, who has had occasion to observe Clark in action, citing, among other examples, his command of the 1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood from 1992 to 1994.

"At the beginning of the Kosovo conflict, CounterPunch delved into the military career of General Wesley Clark and discovered that his meteoric rise through the ranks derived from the successful manipulation of appearances: faking the results of combat exercises, greasing to superiors and other practices common to the general officer corps. We correctly predicted that the unspinnable realities of a real war would cause him to become unhinged. Given that Clark attempted to bomb the CNN bureau in Belgrade and ordered the British General Michael Jackson to engage Russian troops in combat at the end of the war, we feel events amply vindicated our forecast.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:58 PM
Response to Original message
1. been debunked
eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 07:01 PM
Response to Original message
2. Most of what you quote...
is unsubtantiated and sounds a lot like typical office politics.

In what way did Clark order Jackson to engage the Russians? Bayonets, small arms, RPGs or tactial nukes? Is that what you're referring to when you say he almost started WWIII?

I think you are tempesting in your teapot.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 07:02 PM
Response to Original message
3. That is NOT true
He ordered a runway blocked to prevent the landing of a plane load of Spetznatz troops at an airport. End of story...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 07:07 PM
Response to Original message
4. If it was apparent that Clark was using impression management
techniques such as faking the results of exercises, why was he not cashiered by his superiors? I don't buy it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 07:32 PM
Response to Original message
5. The war in Kosovo was efficiently fought
and there is peace there today. I can only imagine what the people who started the WWIII story, would have started if Clark HADN'T moved to keep the Russians out of the airport.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. It's an inherent problem with the baby killer perspective. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jr_Samples Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 11:34 PM
Response to Original message
7. Clinton Endorses Him & I Think He Could Win
Edited on Sat Aug-23-03 11:38 PM by Jr_Samples
Problems with the citation:

(1) "exclaims one colonel"

- No name? That's convenient.
- A Lieutenant Colonel or Colonel, both of which are called "colonels" (e.g., Oliver North) are so far removed from the providence of a Flag Officer's responsibilities that to ask one to evaluate a four star General's professional performance is a lot like asking a benched midget to evaluate a 7-foot tall basketball player's dunking techniques.

(2) Counterpunch says "one Pentagon official" calls him "a horse's ass"
- Aside from this brilliantly impermeable delineation of Clark's persona...
- it's another conveniently "anonymous" source.

(3) According to Counterpunch, Clark "attempted to bomb the CNN bureau in Belgrade"
- Of course that's false.
- The same EXACT group of right wingnut/FRetards gave us the "Clinton bombed an aspirin factory" myth

(4) Yes, the same EXACT group of right wingnut/FRetards also gave Bill Clinton and his administration, during Kosovo, the following nickname:

"the war party in the White House and State Department"

Think about that - how wild is the spin factor when the only way FRETARDS can bash Clinton is to call his administration "The War Party"?

Incidentally, the slander of Wesley Clark was inititiated by a couple of junior grade officers (one of which was an Air Force Lt Col who published a book about how Clinton almost destroyed the world!) who couldn't stand a moderately liberal general.

I like a lot of what I hear from the Democratic candidates (Sharpton and Dean are my favorites), but I seriously doubt any of them can make the public cast the necessary glance of skepticism at the GOP's fear-generating propaganda. Wesley Clark could.

As far as Bush propaganda goes, we haven't seen anything yet, and this time next year I suspect the fear factor - albeit a Karl Rove-fabricated fairie tale - will be only "trumpable" by Wesley Clark.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. I haven't seen anything about Clinton endorsing him
I've actually been wondering if he will, and have reached a personal conclusion that Big Dog will endorse the Democratic nominee and the Democratic nominee only.

Who knows... but that would seem to be the prudent thing to do.

I'm watching the Clark story unfold with great interest, and I'm very intrigued, and even a little excited, about his potential candidacy. But I haven't seen or read anywhere where Bill Clinton has endorsed him.

- Jennifer
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 04:37 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. Big Dog didn't endorse him necessarily, but

Clinton says Clark would make a good president
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/1-06282003-115695.html
"He has always exceeded in every endeavor," said Clinton.

Dawn
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
acerbic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 02:31 AM
Response to Original message
9. Dangit, now I have to defend Clark...
This "anti"war.com is mostly a pro-Serb propaganda site perpetually pissed at anyone who played a part in the loss of their little empire: credibility = 0.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 05:39 AM
Response to Original message
11. phew
I'm kind of creeped out by Clark's zombie look (and Jeebus - that scary sig line with the pointing bit, right out of INVASION OF THE MILITANT INVESTMENT BANKSNATCHERS or something...) - and there's this August Anticipation/Coy Product Placement strategy going that irritates, but.... The Man who ALMOST Started WWIII?

What, as opposed to the man who DID start World Warm-Enough-For-You-Yet-Just-Wait-Till-They-Get-Started War III, already in progress, Mr. George Monkeyface Bush?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
maha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 06:52 AM
Response to Original message
12. Let's not do Karl Rove's work for him, OK?
Gen. Clark may end up on the ticket. I hope he does.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Dec 27th 2024, 06:52 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Editorials & Other Articles Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC