Baghdad: The hand of Mossad?

[DuctapeFatwa]

Sometimes it is difficult to understand why some events should occur and change a positive path into a negative situation leading to bloodshed. It is no longer a matter of resistance; the situation is turning into an open intelligence game regardless of the interests of the parties concerned in this situation. First in Baghdad: who carried out this suicide operation against the UN mission?...

Providing the truck with complex explosives, observing the UN headquarters to analyze the security system of the building and determine its weak points -- all these require a number of specialists and assistants. If Saddam Hussein is still able to conduct such operations amid the Americans’ minute-by-minute pursuit of him, the situation becomes dangerous. This person is not a superman. He cannot even make a phone call or use wireless communication with his presumed units because American technology would be able to track him in a few seconds...

Syria is not in a position to help militant organizations because it has cooperated fully in the fight against terrorism and provided Washington with data about these very organizations. The American accusations against it are part of the campaign against Damascus in connection with the bilateral relationship between Washington and Syria, and between Washington and Tel Aviv, and do not reflect reality based on facts and evidence....Iran has concerns in Iraq, but from a Shiite angle only. The southern regions of Iraq, dominated by the Shiite community, has witnessed very few anti-American operations. The demonstrations against the US presence, in the South as elsewhere, arise from the problems caused by the Pentagon’s failure to plan for the post-war period...

More problems for the Americans in Baghdad means closer co-operation with Israeli intelligence to fight against terrorism, whether it is in Iraq or in Israel. Freedom in planning and acting in Iraq is strategic for the Israelis, who are preparing themselves to use Iraq as a channel of trade between themselves and the Gulf states. There are Arab diplomats who shy away from any idea of Israeli complicity, recalling the days when this idea was the fruit of the old conspiracy theory. Moreover, they say, Tel Aviv would not dare to attack a UN facility in Iraq because of the serious problems they might have if the Americans discovered their involvement. But the fact remains that there is no other player on the regional or international level which would have any interest in perpetrating such an explosion, or possess the expertise to carry it out. Certainly the Israelis have never had any love for the UN...

http://www.mmorning.com/articlec.asp?article=510

[hang a left]

1. Ok I can flow with that for a minute

What about it being an inside job, meaning coalition provisional authority. What if it was a joint cia/mossad operation. That to me seems like a more believable scenario.

[QuietStorm]

2. it has plausibility

but not a real popular topic.

there was much israel intelligence infiltration of all mandated countries which include iraq going back to the Israel-Arab war... this continued on... and on... Israeli intelligence is an important part of US intelligence. Again, not a real popular topic.

[papau]

3. If Israel benefits - Israel caused ? Interesting logic

but not logical.

:-)

[bemildred]

4. Maybe I'm nuts, but

I find the idea the Israel benefits from this
quite a stretch. Israel benefits from US success in
Iraq, not a short, viscious failure.

[QuietStorm]

5. It appears

If there is something to the articles I have read there is some benefit for Israel in terms of the Iraqi war. (see article below - I haven't done a full blow cross referencing of this please understand). I think it is naive to resist that Israel plays a role in this war, from both a strategic standpoint as well as an intelligence standpoint, as well as in the overall war against "terrorism" within which so much resides.

"Here’s the outcome of the war: With the US invasion of Iraq and the downfall of the country’s regime, all of the oil agreements Russia and France made with Saddam Hussein in the past have now been rendered null and void. And Israel has replaced Russia and Germany, two countries dead set against the US war, in the Iraqi oil bazaar. The Israeli government has already begun laying the necessary groundwork to pump oil extracted in the northern Iraqi cities of Mosul and Kirkuk to its own soil. The plan is very simple, namely reopening the long-defunct oil pipeline from Mosul to the Mediterranean port of Haifa in northern Israel."

http://www.turkishpress.com/turkishpress/news.asp?ID=9937

It is one article and seeing as the relationship between turkey and Israel does appear to run hot and cold well... I don't know.. the article could be propaganda. That is why i want to cross reference it. I do feel Israel is a player along with the UK and the US. They operate in the background, not on the front line. That is the way it seems to be emerging for me. I may be off on analysis, and justifications or admonishments aside. The IP conflict is separate from these comments. I am not connecting the two here. And of course this is basically just conversation based on my frame of reference as I move from one article to the next and go about reading history on the region, as well as on the history of Israeli intelligence in the mandated states, including Iraq.

[QuietStorm]

6. Oh important addendum to above post

The above posted analysis was also separate from the issue as to whether mossad had anything to do with the UN bombing, one article could surely not shed any light on that. If it were to come more to the surface I can not imagine they were working alone. US strategies those on the inside would have been aware of the operation. If there was one. Which I do not know, but could be plausible. However I am no where near thrushing it out. Just foddering through various pieces like everyone else.

[bemildred]

7. Responding to both posts.

Not especially disagreeing with any of this
analysis/speculation, but it all hinges on the idea
that the coalition will get Iraq stabilized and
functional to the point where oil can be somewhat
reliably extracted, where the troops can come home,
and so on, which is not happening any time soon.

It is also bad, bad, bad if the USA is kept bogged down,
overcommitted, and politically pole-axed with the Iraq
issue. Our political adversaries are not unaware that we
have grabbed the tar-baby, and various countries are
already showing a new willingness to tell us to take a
hike when it suits them. This is NOT good for Israel which
relies on Uncle Sugar to protect them.

[QuietStorm]

8. yes it does hinge upon that

that is where the arrogance comes into play. Well in that regard (your last sentence of your second paragraph) I agree. I meant the analysis in terms of post- reconstruction. YOu are correct.

Much can go wrong. I do believe there is an infiltration of Pakistani militants, as well as saudi militants they are fighting a jihad against a crusade. they could care less about oil revenues for the europeans which I do believe Israel can be considered in a secular sense here.

If things go wrong pre post reconstruction NO the benefits promised or foreseen which the strategies are based upon would not be realized. So there is a great risk factor here for Israel which makes them all the more powerful in terms of determination and victory.

DYNAMITE the whole lets play wargames mentality rather than lets make peace.

[bemildred]

9. It was dumb to put it in play.

It was even dumber the way they did it without the
necessary resources.

Aside from the Islamic radical types, there are a whole
lot of politicians and countries that might well think
keeping Uncle Sugar "occupied" is a worthwhile goal.
Syria, Iran, and maybe Turkey already fit on that list.
A few more farther afield one could speculate about.

The Afghanistan example WRT the Soviet Union comes to mind.