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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 05:38 PM
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New York Magazine: "This Isn't War" (Clinton Slams DLC?)
Talking Points Memo has a link to this article in New York Magazine by Michael Wolff, describing his experiences at a recent "liberal elite" confab in Aspen. (You can read all about how out of touch some of these folks are in the full article.) Here's the money quote, though:

The psychic heart of the conference was Bill Clinton.

He was interviewed on the second day by Isaacson, who began by telling a story about how when he was a Rhodes scholar he’d done a paper that his Oxford professor had said was not at all in the same league as a similar paper written by a certain Rhodes scholar from Arkansas a few years before. This was one of those overachievement-upon-overachievement stories that was bound to subdue anyone.

Clinton had lost weight and—with a great collection of just-out-of-the-wrapper pastel-colored polo shirts on view throughout the conference—seemed in fabulous form. He was in campaign mode but without the restraints of campaign mode. While there was clear bitterness on his part toward the successor who had rushed “to undo everything I’d done,” and the Republicans who “will run over you unless you beat their brains out,” there was a feisty humor too. Of the disputed Harken oil deal, Clinton said Bush had “sold the stock to buy the baseball team which got him the governorship which got him the presidency.”

Clinton kept referring to the media as (contrary to Kinsley’s view) the “supine” media, pointing out that when Bush insulted Helen Thomas (who, by asking a rough question in the infamous prewar press conference had, Clinton said, “committed the sin of journalism”), no “young journalists” stood up and walked out.

The media, the supine media, was going to have to “go to the meat locker and take out its brains and critical skills.”

Everybody seemed to love this. Clinton was not just the beloved former president, but he had become some sort of sassy oracle.

There was a party on the second day for Clinton at the Aspen version of Nobu, and then, later that evening, a discussion between Clinton and President Kagame, hosted by the William Morris Agency, at Whiskey Rocks Bar in the St. Regis Hotel (Michael Eisner, the Disney CEO, while not a conference attendee, slipped into the room).

This turned out to be the pivotal moment of the conference—even the primal one. When Clinton took questions, a young man from a technology company who identified himself as chairman of Bush-Cheney 2004 in California said he was offended by Clinton’s partisanship. To which Clinton, without hesitation, and with some kind of predatory gleam in his eye, said, “Good!” From there, Clinton went on, with emotion and anger, at a level seemingly foreign to most everyone here, to rip to shreds the motives, values, and legitimacy of the Republicans.

It was all anyone could talk about the next day. People seemed genuinely taken aback (some people kept offering that since it was late at night, in a bar, it didn’t quite count) that one of their own might have violated the accepted codes of lofty liberal behavior. There was a little current of fear at the sudden recognition that testosterone could fuel politics. It was a shock, apparently, that we might be this close to real feelings. That politics could actually be personal.

And that something more than overachieving might be required to take back the power—and for Walter to get his next job.

To which I'd add, I think Clinton realizes that Dean may be onto something. That we've reached a pivot point in American politics. Bill Clinton truly is an oracle.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 05:47 PM
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1. Politicians do love to jump on the bandwagon
once it is clear that it is safe to do so.
If Blow Job had showed more spine a while back we
would not be here now. Not that he cannot make himself
useful now, or that he should not get credit for it.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 07:05 PM
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5. Not sure you're right there
Edited on Tue Aug-26-03 07:06 PM by wryter2000
We were sunk the minute the SC appointed Bush*.

I believe it was Gore's decision not to have Clinton campaign for him, which I think was the single biggest mistake in his campaign.

Seems to me the DLwaitandC had better get it through their heads that "triangulation" only works when Clinton does it and that Clinton was the magic, not turning ourselves into little Repub wannabees.

Edit to add a word I left out.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 07:10 PM
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6. I do not disagree with yr. points.
I was going back farther than that.
That he hit on an intern when they were hunting for him.
That he hit on an intern as naive as Monica.
That he handled it so bogus when he was caught.
That he generally did not show enough fire in the belly in
dealing with the Repubs. If you do not show conviction
yourself you cannot expect to generate committed support.
In his defense one can say he whupped them twice in elections.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 05:55 PM
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2. it would be great to see
him come back to the left side of the aisle.
we could use his instincts and great quick thinking.
but if he stays with his ''centrist think'' then frankly -- i just don't care.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 05:56 PM
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3. I saw that and thought it was good!
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 06:14 PM
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4. Well unless some Democrat
somewhere grows some balls and stops playing politically correct my-degree-is-better-than-your-degree hippie love and peace games....y'all are looking at 4 more years of Bush.

In spite of all the blunders and lies snd opportunities Bush has handed you on a silver platter.

Guaranteed.

Like the man said...you either beat em to death or they'll run over you.

And it has nothing to do with the left or center crap.

Of course you have to be in the center...it's where Americans are.

But it does have to do with balls...and gasp...fisticuffs!
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