Is Bush the Antichrist?

[UpInArms]

http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0449/041208_news_antichrist.php

When President George W. Bush was appointed by five Supreme Court justices in 2000, right-wing Christians sang hosannas for the triumph of God's will over the electorate's. "President Bush is God's man at this hour," said Tim Goeglein, Bush's liaison to evangelicals. Though the Methodist president dishonestly conceals the whole truth about his apocalyptic religious beliefs, he has acted as an evangelist in office. As Esther Kaplan demonstrates in With God on Their Side: How Christian Fundamentalists Trampled Science, Policy, and Democracy in George W. Bush's White House, he's doled out millions to far-right Christian groups, systematically crushed secular left and nonright mainstream organizations from Head Start to the Audubon Society, and replaced policy and scientific experts with comically ignorant yet politically cunning fanatic provocateurs. Out with the American Medical Association, in with the American Family Association. Before Bush, the Internal Revenue Service hounded the Christian Coalition; now that Bush is, in extremist Gary Bauer's opinion, the de facto leader of the Christian Coalition, the government selectively harasses non-Christian groups, and a rightist apparatchik tried to sneak through Congress a bill legitimizing the kinds of politically targeted IRS abuses that would have made Richard M. Nixon proud.

Televangelist and onetime presidential candidate Pat Robertson once rallied millions to lobby God for the deaths of liberal Supreme Court justices, recommending prayers for coronaries and cancer. "We ask for miracles!" preached Robertson. Today, the judiciary's Clinton-era moderates haven't even a prayer against the Reagan/Bush rightists. Author Tim LaHaye, whose Left Behind thrillers based on the Bible's "end times" stories are America's best-selling books for adults, once helped destroy the Jack Kemp presidential campaign he co-chaired by demanding 25 percent of government jobs for the Christian right's 25 percent of the population. Today, no way does Bush's "Evangetaliban"—which claims responsibility for winning Bush a second term in 2004—intend to settle for less than 100 percent.

But not every follower of the Prince of Peace is shouting amen to Bush/Robertson/Falwell's Killer Christians. Granted, the fastest-growing churches are either evangelical—Bible believers out to win your soul—or fundamentalists, out to bend your soul to their bluenose will and so literal when it comes to the Bible that some insist Christ's parables refer to actual people and events. Fundies also incline to the authoritarianism of Oswald Chambers, the 19th-century Christian whose harsh sermonettes against rational analysis and for a gut response to God Bush reads each morning (perhaps on this Web site: www.gospelcom.net/rbc/utmost).

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[Coyul]

1. Nope

Not smart or charismatic enough....but the anti-christ is a republican...make no mistake about that!
:evilgrin:

[Warpy]

11. The Antichrist isn't really a single human being

although Bush, now that he's the defacto tyrant of Babylon, certainly would fit the description.

Rather the Antichrist is the mindset of all the people who use Christ's name as they seek to do the opposite of his teachings.

[indepat]

21. You mean the likes of Pat and Jerry and maybe Billy too?

[burn the bush]

31. well that does describe the followers of shrub

[eridani]

2. Wayne Madsen thinks so

Hearsay evidence again, though.

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04222003.html

Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs, and his constant references to "evil doers," in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations - the anti-Christ. People close to the Pope claim that amid these concerns, the Pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations.

[SweetLeftFoot]

20. The Pope

The Holy Father would do better to confront the real-life problem of his employees touching up kiddies rather than worry about the hallucenogenic fungus inspired rantings of a madman that make Revelations.

[TwentyFive]

3. 666

George (6)
Walker (6)
Bush Jr (6)
or
Busche (6)

Bush was originally 'Busche' back in Old Europe.

[Liberty Belle]

9. Nostradamus prosphecies warned of "Bousch"

(meaning red mouth in French)

[buddysmellgood]

39. No way. In what context?

[Verve]

4. Of course he will be the antichrist when the right needs an excuse to

distance themselves from him. They'll be preaching Shrub tricked them! He was the antichrist in disguise! We were fooled! Blah Blah Blah. They'll place the blame on Shrub rather than themselves for backing the guy. Isn't that what they always do?

Until then, check out what the evangi's and fundi's are doing with their children's education. Take a look at this thread about a bizarre religious science fair! IT IS PATHETIC! Some of the winning projects include "My uncle is a man named Steve, not a monkey" and from a seventh grader, "God designed women to be homemakers".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=152&topic_id=875&mesg_id=875&page=

[genieroze]

16. I don't care what they do to thier kids, unless it's abuse.

Just keep this crapola out of the public schools.

[burn the bush]

32. teaching that God made girls to be homemakers IS abuse

[Somawas]

5. Please back off on this stuff

Just plays into their way of thinking about the end times, the Left Behind books and all that. I'm not going to play that.

[morcatknits]

6. I don't think so

I've considered it, but I just don't think he's smart enough. Although, Condy could certainly fill the shoes of the "Great Whore of Babylon." The term "Prince of Peace" doesn't refer to the anti-Christ, it is an Old Testament reference to Christ and shouldn't even be used on the any website that refers to Bush!
morcatknits

[indigobusiness]

10. If the Antichrist were smart

he wouldn't be the Antichrist.

[xfundy]

7. He fits the description

I've been saying this for years.

[Old Mouse]

8. there were web rumors

that the Pope believed Bush to be the anti-Christ. Those stories seemed more funny then fact, but Bush does seem to have a determination to bring about the end times.

Generational marketing has shown the trailing edge baby-boomers to be one of the most narcissistic generations ever produced. (sorry all you baby boomer, me included)We have been born in an age and place of affluence and marketed to from birth with promised of being president, rock stars or astronauts, yet were handed the reality of energy shortages, recessions and the threat of homelessness.

The feeling of self importance without visible cause has resulted in an American society with an astonishing number of doomsday millennial cults with messianic leaders. The sudden and extreme rise in religious fundamentalism is not a desire to live by the morality of scripture, but the growing subconscious elitist belief that God needs US to bring about his vision. If you believe you are so special to the world, to the universe, to have such a unique and personal relationship with God it becomes difficult to believe the world will live beyond you.

I think Bush believes himself to be the second coming... I would prefer him to be the anti-Christ. I would have to choose hell rather than watch him smirk for all eternity.

[AndyTiedye]

12. We Can Fix the Air-Conditioning

> I would have to choose hell rather than watch him smirk for all eternity.

and listen to John Ashcroft sing? :ewww: :puke:

[genieroze]

17. It's true it was in a Catholic newsletter

I saw the actual newsletter.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880

[MsMagnificent]

13. What rough beast... slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Subject: What rough beast... slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Message:
The Second Coming
WB Yeats

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand;
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again: but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?


I do believe the Anti Christ has to be born in the Middle East.
And as much as I hate to say this (although it IS behind the reasoning and dogma of the evangelicals) this Anti-Christ will be hailed as the Hebrew Messiah finally come at long last, and figures greatly into their "Future plans".

Now don't jump on me, it's not MY idea and I think it's horrible too. But it is part of the born-again dogma, although they are loathe to admit it to us who are Unsaved.
With such "friends" the Jewish people need no other enemies; nobody does no matter WHAT Israel has done with their Apartheid-like acts . It's like harboring a snake in one's bosom, these "Do unto others..." friends of theirs.


***Warning: The rest of this post discusses in some way the Bible and Revelations, this country, the GW Bush regime and the End Times. If you don't like this kind of thing, don't read. Please.
And Thank You.


These evangelicals etc., who would gaily make every US citizen abide by their Taliban-like constrictions, rage that the US isn't a (even titular) Christian state and because of the heathen Separation of Church and State, and because our ridiculous Freedom of Speech and wanting to give Gays (not God's children I guess, much less citizens with rights) & etc. etc. etc.
Yet I see the pride (going before a fall), the arrogance, the greed, the lies, the decrying of 'Rogue judges verdicts', the complete lack of true Morals, the manipulations, the Warmongering, the downright Evilness (& etc) of our Nation under these Born Again's. It's no surprise that our country wouldn't be looked upon too favorably by God OR Man. Justifiably so. The Whore of Babylon descriptions make one pause and ponder.

And I'm sure we're going to eventually reap --whether through fulfilling Biblical verses or just because we have earned a large amount of very bad karma ("made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication" Revelation 14:8) or both -- exactly what we have sown.
Witness Jerry Falwell: 'Hunt them down and kill them all in the name of the Lord'

Sadly I fear, we're ALL gonna pay... not just the evangelicals and born-again's.
Even us 48-49%.

Yet another reason to move to Canada.

Like that'll help.


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[genieroze]

14. Did you read this link from the link in the article?

George Bush and the Rise of Christian Fascism
The Imperial Presidency
I though Bush was a Methodist, this is what this Methodist Church says

http://216.197.101.64/trinity/pictures/GB%20andtheriseofchristianfascismrejune04.pdf

Link to Trinity Methodist Church
http://216.197.101.64/trinity/page1.cfm

[shuffnew]

26. United Methodist Church Petition

I found this online petition and asked the umc.org about the validity of it. I was told that it was created by two people from Iowa, but was not directly from the umc.org organization. I made note to them at the time that the petition made reference to their umc.org URL.. Read petition text below: (interesting read)

http://www.petitiononline.com/tmrloc03/petition.html\

I don't know the credibility of this petition source, but I did find it of interest and reportedly shows having over 800 signatures (private, not public, apparently in the petition) according to above URL...

EDITED THIS POST TO ADD BELOW FROM ABOVE URL: (at the end of the petition, below is the reportedly owner information:)

The United Methodists Calling for Accountable Leadership Petition to George W. Bush; Richard "Dick" Cheney was created by TheyMustRepent.com and written by Courtney Ball & Josh Steward ([e-mail]).

[genieroze]

15. I keep on telling myself he's to stupid to be him, hope I'm right.

I think it's more a movement like the Reich Wing Fundies.

[OneBlueSky]

18. no . . . he just plays him on tv . . . n/t

.

[SweetLeftFoot]

19. AntiChrists

Believing this sort of superstitious hocus pocus provides the "intellectual" framework that also allows right-wingers to put gay mrriage bans on ballots and discount evolution.

Let's not even go there.

[neweurope]

22. Bush is just a fourth class actor.

Pres. Rove is the Antichrist.

[PATRICK]

23. Once and for all

"apocalypticisim" with its mythic poetry and Manichean dualism, secret knowledge, end time prophecies and the like is a sign of religious and social decadence- a loss of hope, common sense and deep spirituality because of the challenges or morass of the contemporary world. Syncretism or secularism or globalism or plain old scientific enlightenment spur the creation of counter myths of a very low level that make up in pomp anmd fantasy and purloined Diivien Authorirty in what they lack in everything else.

The unique Book of Revelation is not that unique. Other decadent books falsely attributed to Biblical patriarchs and prophets prolieferated uner the Greco-Roman occupation. And occupation, the emnity between a foreignpotenetate dominating the people- and by inference- their God is the ironic context of this Anti-Christ thing. Although to Jesus himself shrugging off the worldly power of Caesar to its poper realm was the common answer and warning against frauds and tantalizing prophecies of wonders was his main preaching. Did He warn about an Anti-Christ single super competitor? No he warned about the mob of cultic leaders who destroy their flocks with lies and seductions. Bush is yet another petty tyrant. We let him in. That's our problem Shrug for the Shrub as some fantasy adversary no matter what rallies to his Mammon banner.

His main problem is blasphemy in arrogating religion to evil ends and worse. A bloody handed challenge to God that will not be forgotten- ever.

[gorbal]

24. It's probably all part of the "story"

I think if you study the neocons and how they think. They tend to spend a great deal of time constructing, a "story"

There is an interesting 3 hour video on it here-

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm

If you think about it, it seems we are all a part of this great "Left Behind" novel they are writing with the blood of our soldiers.

[Flagg]

25. Given all the blood that's been shed in the name of Christ

Maybe that anti-christ guy's not so bad after all.

Just my 2 cents.

[texpatriot2004]

27. I always thought the anti-christ would be more intelligent...

but sometimes I think he might be. You know, "...be ye not deceived..." and he is certainly a great deceiver and a very evil man.

[Cory Laf]

28. Funny Website

www.bushisantichrist.com

[Heartland]

34. Do not ascribe any poser to bush

he is shill for corporate interests and Megs Churches.

[Heartland]

35. That's Do not ascribe any "power" Bush

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

29. Don't know but I like this line from the article

"Bush is one of the key figures leading the church away from Jesus," says Christian author Don Miller, who wrote the nonbluenose Christian best seller Blue Like Jazz.

[BadGimp]

30. I amnot sure

..but I saw Jebus in my oatmeal!

[bermudat]

33. In a word

YES

[ElectroPrincess]

36. No, we (USA) are the ONLY country getting TOTAL misinformation

via ALL our MSM news sources. ALL other countries, especially in old Europe have investigative news articles and as a result, except in the USA, the people HATE the * Administration.

Bush is NOT the Anti-Christ because only Americans receive the propaganda and filtered news by the corporate whores in the MSM.

[shrike]

37. My husband thinks so

And he's not even religious.

[indigobusiness]

38. Is Christ the AntiBush?

Think of it that way.

[buddysmellgood]

40. Exactly. Look at Revelations all you want. The new testament and the

message and example set by Christ is simple. It's so simple, we teach it to our children. Love thy neighbor. Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me. Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone. Render to Ceaser what is Ceasar's, render to God what is God's. Ask not what your country can do for you...Oh wait...sorry.
If you compare the policy of Bush to the life of Christ, you find that in most cases, the Bush policy is ANTICRIST.

[indigobusiness]

41. Absolutely...

This isn't about some matinee villain.

Anything and anyone that manipulates the power of the Christian message in a corrupt way fits the bill. Our fearless leader has become a figurehead.